Posted by: Mark D
01/09/2002, 00:54:10
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Just sitting here dreaming up a perfect wildcat , it would be nice if someone could get a major brass company to make some quality brass in a 17AH rimless. Oh well I guess it is time to wake up ! Thanks, Mark
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Posted by: JD ®
01/09/2002, 05:18:24
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the hornet is a nice little round that is great in single shot rifles for it haveing a rim, with all the rim less rounds out there why do we need another one, take the MK4 and down load it, there is your rimm less 17AH
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Posted by: Mark D
01/10/2002, 00:00:39
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JD , I was thinking that the rimless would feed better in a repeater style action . It seems that the MK4 has some problems feeding in some actions mostly the Remington. I do not think anyone would ever make the brass anyway , but I never thought that they would ever make anytning like the 17rimfire, and now there making one . Just think if some made a minature AR15 for something in a 17 AH rimless , I think that would be a perfect fox rifle! Oh well it's just a thought. thanks, Mark.
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Posted by: JD ®
01/10/2002, 05:58:03
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Jim knows a guy with a 17 Heart for encore, a short MK4 there is not a good small action made for real small cases, good ideal but in a single shot it would be
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Posted by: D. Epperson ®
01/10/2002, 10:46:34
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Even though it's a bit shorter. The case rim is still right at the 0.0300 mark same as, or close to the 25ACP. This would let it be utilized in the Rimfire sized actions. Brass is right difficult to come by though, I'm still looking for some.
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
01/18/2002, 20:54:50
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mark there is a very simular case to the 17 ah it is the 17-30 carbine. the case is rimless and stronget than the hornet. you can push a 25 gr bullit at 3700-3800 fps. wouldn't it be nice if ruger chambered the 77 hornet with this case? foxhunterbubba
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Posted by: usmcpanzer
01/09/2002, 07:56:42
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I am using the Bullberry neck sizing die on Rem .221 brass and then full length sizing with a Redding die set. The first run through the die looked good until I tried to chamber the brass in the barrel. Not even close. I had to run all of the brass through the Redding dies again and really lean into the press. The interesting thing is that the brass came out with a small buckle just below the bottom of the shoulder.
I then tried to close the TC with the brass in the barrel. I could get it to lock up but only after I snapped the barrel shut several times for each piece of brass. Doing this can not be good for the long term life of the pistol (I am really having to put A LOT of pressure). When that was done I loaded up some light loads of 15 g of H4198 and 20 g V-maxs and figured all would be well. Well sort of.
The next stop was the family cow pasture in Alabama. I got things all set up and chambered a round, snapping the barrel shut firmly to be sure it would seat. The hammer was cocked and then..."click". It seems that even after resizing with all I had, and then snapping the brass into the chamber it still was not enough to get the barrel locked well enough so that the hammer would fall all the way to the firing pin. SO I proceeded to REALLY snap the barrel shut with all my strength and..."click". After about 5-10 full strength snap closings I was able to finally get the pistol to fire. The great news is that I got .5" groups @100 yards (1" @ 200) off of a shakey card table bench in the cow pasture. The bad news is that I fear that the pistol and barrel will not last long with the abuse I have to put it through to get the brass to seat properly.
What am I doing wrong? FYI I took some of the fire formed brass and chambered it to see if it would let the hammer fall. It would, but still requires one healthy snap shut. Any advise on case forming be great or is there something that could be done to the barrel so that it would lock up easily AND let the hammer fall?Thanks for any help!
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Posted by: jim saubier
01/09/2002, 09:05:26
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Here is what I did and would do again. I think that the go-no go guage that he is working with is a little short because the experience that you are having is not isolated. I had a Mach IV barrel with the same situation. I sized my brass the way that I wanted and sent them with the barrel to Fred. He took a couple of thou deeper with the reamer to make it better. I was sizing with the button out of my press and the shell holder up against the die. Another answer to the problem would be to have the FL die shortened by .005" which would allow you to bump the shoulder a bit more. I agree with your concern and I didn't want to have to snap the thing shut either. Keep us posted on how you make out.
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Posted by: Drifter
01/09/2002, 16:37:20
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I have a bullberry barrel for my encore in 17 m4. I have a set Redding form dies and then Redding fl resizer and seater. I have had no problems at all with my brass. I am not sure what the difference in dies is. I just set the form dies so that the shell holder firmly seats against the die at the top of the stroke on the press. I would check the measurement on that chamber, it could possibly be a quality controll issue with bullberry, wich I know all about. If your dies are set up right that's where I would be looking. good luck
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Posted by: JD ®
01/10/2002, 06:49:33
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right tools for the right job, will always give you the best results
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Posted by: JD ®
01/10/2002, 06:43:52
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there is nothing wrong with your barrel, when you get a BB barrel you need to snap it shut for awhile to get the locking lug broke in to your barrel, you will not have to snap it as hard as you shot it more as for your brass you are not forming them right, you realy should get forming dies or something, the MK4 is real picky with the forming of the first brass, now with your now firformed loads, was presure high and when you FL them do they fit good now JD
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Posted by: Varmint Al ®
01/12/2002, 21:29:41
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This is controversial, so I am not recommending it, but it is what did with the same tight closing 17 Mach IV barrel. I got some Flitz and polished the chamber. Took a cotton swab and made sure the brass at the end of the swab would not go any farther than the neck and polished the chamber till it shined like a diamond up a goat's, a$$. Then I also polished the FL die the very same way. With very little friction, the die will actually resize the brass more. Then for setting up the FL die in my Rockchucker press, I screwed it down till it took just about as much force to close the press as it does without and brass in it. (There is actually a mil or so of spring in the press). You can't hurt the press if you don’t over do it. With the same force, it merely puts all the force on the brass instead of the shell holder when you do your resizing. I find that my brass lasts much longer when my chambers are polished. I go through the reasons I do this on my Reloading Page. A polished chamber is really good engineering. A rough chamber stems from an old wives tail and black powder times when actions were not considered "strong enough". Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm
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Posted by: Drifter
01/12/2002, 21:37:36
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I followed your lead here AL, after reading the section about polishing dies on your page I tried it with my 17m4 dies and it worked great, makes life easier. That was almost a year ago. Now all of them are polished,17 rem ,17 m4, and 7mm rem mag.
see ya
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Posted by: corbin shell
01/09/2002, 18:26:06
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To All,
I am considering starting a business and offering Custom Loaded Ammunition. My plans are to have a "product line" as well as offer Custom Loaded ammunition. The product line of ammunition will consist of only quality components assembled with the utmost care and precision.
I will also offer to CUSTOM load ANY caliber and to specifications. I would like to get everyones input concerning what calibers and bullet combinations you would like to see in the product lineup.
Initial calibers I am considering keeping in inventory are the following:
.17 Mach IV
.17 Rem
.22 Hornet
.221 Fireball
.222 Rem
.223 Rem
6mm Rem
.260 Rem
.308 Win- 155gr Palma
.30-06-168,175,190gr matchkings
.300 Win mag- 190gr Matchkings
.318 WR
.470 Nitro
.577 Nitro
.600 Nitro Any input you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Corbin Shell
919-554-2805
corbinshell@mindspring.com
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Posted by: BIG GUN ®
01/09/2002, 19:25:14
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They are about 10 harder to get than a regular FFL
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Posted by: corbin shell
01/09/2002, 21:05:54
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Big Gun,
The class 6 munitions manufacturing license is NO harder to get than the standard FFL. I have spoken with ATF and they indicated it is no problem.
Provide input as to calibers and combinations you would like to see.
Corbin
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Posted by: Benny Rhoads
01/09/2002, 20:23:08
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Corbin, My Dad and I checked into this type of business years ago, and were advised against it by our Lawyers, because of the Liability Issues associated with this type of production...Good Luck if you do push forward..Benny Rhoads
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Posted by: pahunter36 ®
01/09/2002, 20:44:33
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just got my 17vss remington today. at first i was a little undecided as to what company to get my gun from but now that it's here i'm glad its a remington, now to put that 6.5 x 20 on it and hope it shoots as well as it looks, if it does that i will be very satisfied
pahunter36
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Posted by: Chris ®
01/09/2002, 21:04:07
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You should be very pleased. I've shot Jim Saubier's 17 Rem Classic and i was able to get very good groups with factory ammo. Once Jim started loading for it, it improved even more. I could almost whack him upside the head for rechambering it to 17 Javelina... Oh well, enjoy!
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Posted by: jim saubier
01/10/2002, 14:30:39
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Don't forget to share your experiences with us after you shoot the thing. We expect to see pics of little itty bitty groups and of the critters that you shoot. I'm sure you'll love it, just keep it clean. Buy a can of JB bore paste, it is good stuff for keeping the .17's clean.
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Posted by: pahunter36 ®
01/10/2002, 19:18:10
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funny you should mention cleaning jim because i was about to ask a cleaning question. i plan to use butch's bore shine in my barrel. my question concerns SWEETS COPPER REMOVER do you think it is to strong to use as a copper cleaner everytime you clean your barrel? i know some use it just to gauge if there is any copper left in the barrel but say you plan to use a chamber plug and fill your barrel up with sweets and let it in there for 10 minutes then remove it and follow it with a solvent like butchs bore shine is this over doing it? also i am not familiar with the bore paste you mentioned but would be interested in dah details
many thanks
pahunter36
ps: if it makes any difference i plan to only shoot jacketed
bullets starkes or bergers non moly
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Posted by: jim saubier
01/16/2002, 15:36:04
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I use Sweet's occasionally on my .17's but not as a matter of practice. The bore paste is a good tool for keeping a bore shiny. The Butches Bore shine is a good cleaning solvent for regular use. It still has amonia in it and will remove the copper. I use the JB bore paste every 200 rounds or so to "polish" the bore, remove any stubborn powder/jacket fouling.
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Posted by: GoWyo!
01/12/2002, 00:03:54
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After you shoot it and fall in love with it, please measure the amount of freebore your rifle has and let me know. I have the same rifle and it really likes 30 gr. bergers, non-mef and no moly. I will try moly after I put 200 rds thru it. Berger 25 non-Mef's aren't too shabby either. I did get a keyhole with old style R-P plated pills out of a spotless bbl though. Both Varget and 4320 are working so far. BTW, I've got a Leu 6.5x 20 x 40 on mine as well. Gary
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Posted by: Jody Henkle ®
01/15/2002, 19:33:55
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GoWyo, My friend purchased a 17 vss. It's free bore was unreal. It shot 3/4" groups, but the lands could NOT be touched with a 37gr Berger and a Stoney Point Guage! It went back to Rem and is a waiting a new barrel.... (They did admit that it had "some" free bore.) FYI, Rem is waiting on a large shippment of 17 barrels and will not have them until the end of Feb, he is told. jh
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Posted by: ps600efi ®
01/09/2002, 22:21:10
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Does anyone know the case dimension for the 5mm remington rimfire? I am wondering how hard it would be to form these cases for use in a centerfire conversion rifle. I know you can purchase these cases, but I was thinking I could form them cheaper.
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