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Posted by: jim saubier
02/08/2002, 07:41:49
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Here is a pic of the Javelina case transformation process starting out life as a .222 case and ending up something like a Javelina case. 
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/08/2002, 09:24:59
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Looks good Jim, but I hope they don't end up being .020" too short to the shoulder or something! I always try to refrain from making cases until I have the rifle in hand to fit them to the chamber. What is your chamber neck? Dan C
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Posted by: jim saubier
02/08/2002, 11:06:16
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I agree with what you are saying. My reamer specs are the same as Todd Kindlers and I used the same dies as he uses to form cases. He told me to run 'em in all the way to the shell holder, so I sure hope that they will be close. I haven't FL sized yet, but will have my FL die next week. As far as neck size, .197" which should require some neck turning, small amount anyhow. I will probably turn to a .195" total diameter of a loaded round at the pressure band. I haven't taken any measurements of the brass yet, and won't until I can FL size them to their final dimension. As a side note, I compared my cases to the one that you sent me and it appears that your shoulder location may even be further back than mine, which would necessitate me FL sizing and pushing back the shoulder even more to make it fit. I will be setting my die up to bump back the shoulder .001" from the chamber - as I do with most of my stuff. I thought of jsut getting a Wilson neck sizing die, but knew that I would need a FL die for initial forming anyhow. I thought of using a Mach IV die but the shoulder angle is different.
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Posted by: jim saubier
02/08/2002, 11:09:36
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Here is a pic with your case on the right. Not sure why these pics turned out so dark. Anyhow, it looks like your shoulder location may even be further back from mine. 
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/08/2002, 11:30:52
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Yep, that plan ought to work. I'd just hate to see you put all that effort into a bunch of cases and have them too short for your chamber. Remember when Alex Clarke did that with his Mach IV? Don't neck turn them though until they are bumped back the correct amount. You will be surprised at how much you will have to remove when neck turning! I'm anxious to see how your rifle turns out. Dan C
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Posted by: jim saubier
02/08/2002, 12:30:35
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How much did you have to remove when neck turning for yours. If I recall correctly, you also had a .197 neck? I really don't mind removing much and like to make 2 passes regardless. maybe that is why Todd is able to use the Redding FL die without the expander button in place.
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/08/2002, 12:56:15
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Jim, if you want around .002" clearance that means you will have to turn the necks to .0114-.0115". I can't remember exactly but it seem that the freshly formed necks mike about .014 or .015" thick. That's quite a cut, but I did mine in one pass with my K&M and they turned out perfect. The Coopers are cut with the Kindler spec reamer also......... Dan C
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Posted by: Doug Rumbaugh ®
02/08/2002, 13:34:06
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It looks to me like you may have a similar problem to what I encountered when I formed .17 Remington brass from 5.6x50 Mag. The interface between the old shoulder and neck is in the your new neck. In my case, that caused a neck turning problem with the mandrel getting caught on that interface. It seemed to spring back in side the case about .0005" after being removed from the expander mandrel. Even after neck turning and fire forming, it was still there. It doesn't hurt anything for me because my bullet is not seated that deep but it made neck turning a pain. I am going to try neck reaming to see if that works. If you encounter this problem, let me know how you resolve it. Thanks.
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Posted by: brian mercheant ®
02/08/2002, 17:19:06
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I was watching and I'd like to know if there's any 'practical' reason to going with a Javelina over the Rem. Is the lure just to have a slightly more efficient round and the enjoyment of 'the wildcat thing' (chuckles)?? Thanks for the time.
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/08/2002, 18:24:23
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'Practical'?? I think I remember hearing that word somewhere...........LOL. Your second sentence says it all podna. Dan C
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Posted by: Al Nyhus ®
02/09/2002, 08:34:48
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Brian, I have a Javelina and have owned quite a few .17 Rems. also. One of the reasons that I built the Javelina was to see for myself if it offered any real advantages over the .17 Remington. My Javelina, as well as the .17 Rems. I've owned, are all very well built rifles by SGR Custom Rifles (Stan Ware). Okay...I'll cut to the chase. The Javelina is a very well proportioned case, and shows good accuracy. Case forming is a pain, but it's no worse than what I do for my '30 WareWolf' cases that I use in my Hunter Benchrest gun. After working with both cases, I'd have to say that I wouldn't build a Javelina over a .17 Remington. I find the 17 Rems. to be easier to tune, they feed nicer than the Javelina case (even with a single shot follower), and the factory 17 Rem. brass is very good. Keep in mind that I'm comparing well 'smithed rifles using custom barrels. I like my Javelina a lot, but it just doesn't do anything that the .17 Rem. won't, and the .17 Rem. offers too many advantages over the Javelina to not make it the best choice if you want a 'big' .17. Again, I'm not 'dissing the Javelina and these comments are just my personal views. Here in S.Dak., we're gearing up for a nasty Winter storm that's coming through today and tomorrow. I have Monday off work, so the Javelina and I will be heading out to see if we can't meet up with a fox or two. -Al.
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Posted by: Kevin Gullette ®
02/10/2002, 00:54:30
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....you were hunting with a rifle. Now you tell me you're just using a "contender". LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A Legend In His Own Mind
Kevin Gullette
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Posted by: bcp
02/08/2002, 19:20:26
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a local gunsmith in Vancouver, WA. I thought someone might be interested. One has a detachable magazine, the other has a tubular magazine.
Priced at $245 each. Brightwater Ventures
Mike Feiss
(360) 256- 6700 I can't tell you about the condition as I just saw them in the rack. Bruce Pryor
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