Posted by: Nailman
02/15/2002, 11:38:47
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Whats everybody think about the .17 HeeBee? Do you think this would make a nice rifle using a Remington 5mm action? Anybody shoot one? Thanks, Nailman....
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Posted by: Cook
02/15/2002, 21:23:26
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I have a HeBee in a Ruger 1B that was done by Wessinger. Velocity is incredable with dog town loads running 4,050 to 4,100. But to be honest with you I don't think the Rem action would let you get away with that pressure. Some folks talk about leveling out at 3,800 - 3,950 with 20 grain V max in lighter bolt guns. In a strong single shot I highly recommend the HeBee, but in a bolt action I just don't have enough information to have an opinion. Just curious why you don't continue to shoot it with the after market brass from someone like Schroeder? By the way, I saw some 5mm ammo for sale in Gun List this week for $50 a box. Now that would be an expensive dog gun.
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Posted by: Nailman
02/15/2002, 22:23:13
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Well, What do you think MDHunter. Would this be a good choice for the 591 Remington action?
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Posted by: jim saubier
02/17/2002, 14:27:39
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I knew of a guy who had one of these 591's converted to a .17 Ackley Bee. His was built by Dick Saunder's. He said that it was one of his favorite .17's and that he wouldn't trade it for the world. He also said that it shot remarkably well. One of his comments was that he couldn't push the loads too hot or he would get sticky extraction. The 591 is like a small scale model 788 action - hence it has it's locking lugs on the rear of the bolt. What this does is allows the bolt to flex with the hot loads and will have a tendency to cause pressure symptoms earlier than other designs. I wouldn't necessarily call this a problem. Now back to your main question, I think that it would be a fantastic gun but you will have a significant amount of money tied up in action work and it will have to be a single shot. My advice would be to buy a contender if you are content with a single shot otherwise you might just get a model 700 action for around 300 bucks and be ahead of the game. The action work required to convert a 591 to a centerfire for use with a higher pressure round - will require that the action be threaded to accept a barrel. The current set-up for the 591 is that the barrel is pinned to the action - like most rimfires. So I have a tendency to agree with Cook on this one, convert it to 5mm Craig and enjoy it the way that it was intended - as a 5mm. With all of the 20 cal support out there currently, there are plenty of good bullets to shoot out of it - BERGERS, Hornady's, etc.
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Posted by: BROOKS
02/19/2002, 07:59:19
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I have a HeBee in a Cooper VE and you can't have it. Of my 6-17's is is the most consistantly accurate. Welllllll, maybe for a price you could get hold of it but it would be more than a new Cooper.
Good luck,
Brooks
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/16/2002, 00:51:21
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It happens to be my favorite powder in my Mach IV with 25's. I use around 19.0-19.2 grains for 3800 fps or so. Dan C
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Posted by: Cook
02/16/2002, 16:45:09
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I picked up a pound to try in my 223 AI, but when I saw your post I started thinking about how it would work in a Vartarg. How much case capacity is left with 19.2 grains in your Mach IV case? Wonder what its burning rate is compared to 4198?
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/16/2002, 17:51:24
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Already tried it, too slow. 19.2 gr. is nearly a case full in the Mach IV. In the 20 VT, you just can't get enough in there to get up to speed. Benchmark is pretty close to N-133, or a bit slower. I liked N-130 in my VarTarg, much better consistency than H4198. Dan C
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Posted by: Cook
02/18/2002, 23:00:02
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Hey Dan, I'm getting meodicre accruacy with fire form loads in my Vartarg using 4198. Do you think N130 is worth a try? Right now I am getting about 3,500 - 3,550 fps fireforming and groups are ranging in the .6's to .8's. Maybe I shouldn't complain. Do you know what kind of velocity you're getting with FF and full loads?
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Posted by: Dan C ®
02/20/2002, 11:49:47
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Cook, my Tannel-built rifle was shooting in the .3's while fireforming, using RL-7 at about 3600 fps. After that initial batch, I did the rest of my fireforming with Blue Dot. I do know tht my rifle much preferred the Hornady bullets seated well into the lands, as much as .020". I liked N-130 better than H-4198 because it didn't seem to be so erratic. I was shooting for 3800 fps, and at that level I would occasionally blow a primer pocket with H-4198. I don't mean loosen, I mean BLOW!! N-130 was more predictable, and never ruined a case out of the blue. RL-7 was good too....... Dan C
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