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Posted by: Nick B
03/08/2002, 00:51:17
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Curious as to how these compare to .17 and .224 cal rounds. Need some numbers to run through the ballistics program. Thanks.
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/08/2002, 09:28:25
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27 gr.=.167
32 gr.=.188
36 gr.=.206
40 gr.=.228
44 gr.=.258It's all on Calhoon's web site. Dan C
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Posted by: Nailman
03/08/2002, 11:01:12
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I think I am catching the HORNET FEVER, any suggestions??
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/08/2002, 11:14:32
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Get yourself a CZ 527 Hornet, best rifle and value out there. One of the few accurate Hornets available, at least in repeater persuasion. Browning Micro is also a good rifle, but more $$. Dan C
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Posted by: Nailman
03/09/2002, 23:02:04
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what only 2 paychecks!!! What is your thoughts about a old Winchester Mod. 43,
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Posted by: MarinePMI ®
03/08/2002, 12:49:56
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I'm sure this has been asked before but...Where can I get dies for the .17 Mach IV? TIA MarinePMI
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Posted by: Coyote Slayer ®
03/08/2002, 16:11:47
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you can get them from Huntington, Reading, the Woodchuck Den and I was told that hornedy is now making Dies also those are the places i would try Hope this helps:Coyote Slayer Eat Moose 20,000 wolves can't be wrong
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Posted by: Drifter
03/08/2002, 17:51:32
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Moose , wolves... where you at there Coyote Slayer. I'm getting an AK vibe. I am on Kodiak, wishing some of those 20,000 wolves were running around near by.
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Posted by: Coyote Slayer ®
03/08/2002, 22:02:41
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Yea I am here in the land of the last front tire LOL LOL LOL I am about 100 miles out of fairbanks: Coyote Slayer Eat Moose 20,000 wolves can't be wrong
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Posted by: JD ®
03/08/2002, 21:16:08
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Only, Redding after some talking and testing, Redding does not have the right specs for forming and FL dies for the MK4
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go RCBS from Midsouth and be done with it, I am not slaming Redding but they do not have there s*&^ right for the MK4
JD
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/09/2002, 12:23:28
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jd, and to think after all these loads i put togather and shot using my redding dies that there is somthing wrong with my redding dies. what do you mean out of spec? bob
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Posted by: JD ®
03/09/2002, 15:20:05
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there forming dies, they do not bumb the shoulder back, if you have chambered your already and know they work you are good to go, as far as I have been able to tell if you have a close chamber and form with Redding you will have troblem chamber the rounds
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/10/2002, 12:39:10
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i had that problem with a bonanza die, i changed shell holders to solve the probleb. i think jim saubier had a simular probmem , he trimed the shell holder. bob
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| Thoughs on powder for the 20 VT |
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Posted by: Cook
03/08/2002, 13:55:12
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I've been shooting 4198 with fair success but was thinking about trying 133, 130 or maybe even 2015 or 2200. Do you think that 130 is too fast for the VarTarg?
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/08/2002, 16:04:58
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N-130 is slower than H-4198 and perfect for the 20 VT. It was my most-used powder. I tested many powders and also had good luck with RL-7, H-335, and 2200. Mail me if you want more specifics. Dan C
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| kimber 17 k hornet update and history |
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/08/2002, 21:41:45
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My 17 K Hornet R2 is a Custom Classic "uncatloged variations" made between Oct 3 1984 and Feb 1985,it was a special order only gun. The gun is barreled with a match grade Shilen.
12.6 gr of aa1680 20v-max gave .50 100 yds and 3716 fps.
bob
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Posted by: Greg Smith ®
03/09/2002, 11:08:20
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Bob,
How do the fired cases look? My 17kr2 has a chamber on the fat
end of spec and with the thin hornet brass case life is not good. Beautiful rifle though. I bought it new as a Cascade variation and had it restocked by Kimber to Custom Classic to
match my .22lr. Have not shot it with the newer powders. Think
its time to get it back out.
greg
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/09/2002, 12:18:02
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greg i own three 17ah's(17 k hornet two of then are as you described. the one that is not is by wessinger with a minimum spec reamer. they all shoot about the same, the two are just ugly when you resize them.
you know they only made aprox. 87 of the 17 k hornets starting on oct 3 1984 and continuing thru feb 1985, what a neat package.bob
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Posted by: hunter_19_54
03/11/2002, 10:38:27
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I have a Cooper in 17 AH. I am having trouble with loads, Any time I get close to 12.2 Gr of 1680 or more I blow primers. I have sent it back but they say nothing is wrong. I shoot W-W brass. It seams to blow the bottoms out a little. I am not very inpressed with therr rifle. Wished I would have made one myself. Thanks for any help. Ron
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/11/2002, 11:04:40
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I've had a couple of Cooper 17 AH's. Are we talking about 20 gr. bullets here? AA1680 powder varies quite a bit from lot to lot. If you are blowing primers, the load is simply too hot, no matter what load somebody else is using. Your cases are bulging at the base because Cooper insists on using fat chambers with this cartridge. We've had discussions about it, but they are sticking to their guns so to speak. It really doesn't hurt anything, just looks bad. Don't FL size every time. I have a batch of cases that have been neck sized only, and have been loaded 8 times with 20 grain bullets at 3800 fps. They are not getting the least bit tight in the chamber. Don't give up on her yet, they are fine rifles. Dan C
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Posted by: hunter_19_54
03/11/2002, 11:27:02
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Yes I am using 20 Gr V-Max.I am also splitting case necks after 2 to 3 shots. Am trying aa2200 powder & aa1680, also trying 22 Gr Calhoon with 11 & 11.5 Gr of 1680. It seams like if I dont load hot I dont get a very good group. about an 1" or bigger. I think that it should be between 1/2 & 3/4. what brass should I use? Thanks Ron in OKC
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Posted by: jim saubier
03/11/2002, 12:38:52
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I believe that Winchester brass is the preferred hornet brass. I have been using it exclusively in mine but have little experience with it thus far. I have been told that the Winchester brass is a little thicker and will last a little longer. Time will tell with mine, but I have a nice tight chamber with a short throat for the 20 grain bullets.
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Posted by: Greg Smith ®
03/11/2002, 20:03:58
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Your loads are too hot. Are you using Rem. 71/2 primers? They have a thick cup. Still, if you are expanding primer pockets you need to back off on the powder. Lots do vary.
At one time Sako, Norma and RWS all made hornet brass. They were said to be thicker and larger in diameter than domestic cases. Old Western Scrounger still sells RWS hornet brass. Lumps of gold could not cost much more. I just measured three cases each of Winchester & RWS. Both lots are several years old.
Winchester; length 1.395, diameter at head .2925, weight 52.3gr
RWS; length 1.393, diameter .2945, weight 56.2gr
I don't know where the thickness difference is but there is a difference. Have not fired any of the RWS. It might be thick enough to make a difference. It is so expensive I would prefer to not like it (only have 40 cases).
Aside from a minimum spec chamber, I wish we all had Ackley Bees
or Heebees. Bee brass is great. Maybe we should all try some of this RWS stuff. About 25 bucks for 20 cases!
greg
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/11/2002, 19:17:48
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hunter have you measured the fired cases to check your chamber specs. guns are like sno flakes no two are exactly alike. your gun just may not take as much powder as the next one. have you chronographed them ? you may be getting more speed than anyone. if you ask cooper they eill tell you they use minimun spec reamers not standard. what type of primers are you using? are you blowing primers or puncturing them? you see you have created more questions than have been answered. bob
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Posted by: hunter_19_54
03/12/2002, 06:40:11
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When I get to hot on powder it is puncturing primers. I have backed off on the powder & am going to try to test fire today.Am using Win. small rifle & small pistol. It seams like it shoots the fire forming cases better. I have tryed light loads but they open up to much. I have some Rem. cases now & will try them next week. I have a CZ 527 & it doed make a differents I get about3/4 or less group at 100 Yds. I have just started getting into mesuring brass I was fire forming to hot before now I use 10 Grs of 1680 & then load 11 to 11.5 for shooting. If this doesnt work I will try to find some to rechamber it for me from what I have seen I think the chamber is to loose or will trade for a good gun like a Kimber.
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/12/2002, 17:36:57
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the first thing you should do is have a gun smith check your firing pin depth to make shure it is not to long. if it is it will puncture the primer,they don't have to be overly hot to do that.
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