Posted by: jim saubier
03/11/2002, 10:28:07
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Not too much progress, but I sure found out how much fun it is to trim this much off of the case length. I got a Sinclair power screw driver adaptor for my Wilson trimmer that is making the job much easier. I also got a Kinneman stand for my Wilson trimmer to replace the Sinclair stand as the Kinneman version has a clamp that holds the Wilson case holder in place while I am using the power screw driver. Almost feels like cheating after turning the crank with one hand while holding the shell holder in the other. So anyway, I got a bunch of cases trimmed to length. A problem that I ran into was that my FL sizing die wouldn't bump back the shoulder enough to allow the case to chamber. So I took one of my shell holders and used a surface grinder (precision equipment) to remove exactly 10 thousandths. Well, I found out that 10 thousandths was just barely enough and that 12 thou would have been better. I'll likely have 2 more thou removed since I don't wish to have stiff bolt closure for all of these new cases. Not sure where the problem came in, as the headspace guage chambers fine and the reamer specs were set up from a dummy round and a reamer print that were correct. I'll likely get started turning necks now and time is running thin since I saw my second ground hog of the season on Saturday morning. Load development may be abbreviated in the sake of hoggin, if my back will allow much of that.
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Posted by: Doug Rumbaugh ®
03/11/2002, 12:41:18
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Jim, I have the same problem with my recent efforts in forming .17 Remington cases from RWS 5.6x50 Magnum cases. I had to grind down my shell holder during resizing to get them to chamber. I use the stoney point caliper attachment to my dial caliper to measure shoulder bump and, for some reason, I have to bump the shoulder back .003 more than I do for Remington brass. I have not figured out what is up although I suspect it may have something to do with the extractor groove into which the shell fits into the shell holder or something. Anyway, I have since found that if I use my "adjusted" shell holder for the form dies (with a little experimentation), I can use the normal one for full length resizing from then on. The anoying thing for me is that I have to full length resize the cases for every reloading. I was hoping to just neck size but it has not worked out that way. If you ever figure out what your problem is, it is likely the same one I have and I would be very interested in knowing what it is. Thanks.
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Posted by: Chuck Buster
03/11/2002, 16:16:59
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I want a set of electronic muffs so I can hear something with them on. Trouble is I cant tell what the difference is between them from the ads except for the price. My question is do they offer equal protection against hearing loss and is one better than the other for shooting. Maybe their are other brands that are better. Any help appreciated. Thanks
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Posted by: JLDakota ®
03/15/2002, 00:19:19
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I have the Tac 6's and love them. I have never tried the 7's but believe I read they are supposed to block out more noise. Mine seem to block out everything loud that happens on the range regardless of whether its my gun or one on the next bench. I've sat beside some noisy large caliber pieces with their breaks overloading me with high decible stuff. My 6's take it all and I just smile. The best thing is I can hear normal conversations with my buddies as if I weren't wearing anything. I'm very high on my 6's but don't have or have right to an opinion on the 7's. The last benchrest match I went to to observe, I saw about 3 to 1 in favor of the 6's and thought I heard someone say the 6's didn't get in the way of the stock like the 7's. Rumor, as I haven't tried them. Hope this helps. Jim
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Posted by: Cleankill
03/11/2002, 16:17:48
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wondering how it compares to redding and end result run out? is the drop in window worth the extra money? thanks
andy
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Posted by: jim saubier
03/12/2002, 11:09:48
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Not sure what you are loading for but doubt that you would experience much benefit in runout/concentricity. In my opinion, the Wilson inline seaters are the way to go and they are very reasonable. I just got one for the Javelina that I am working on. The only downside is that you have to have an arbor press - well some guys use a mallet but I prefer some type of arbor press. The problem with concentricity and runout is that most of the damage is done in the sizing step and if the chamber is not straight, it never will matter how much effort you go to.
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Posted by: Dane F. Schell ®
03/11/2002, 16:57:15
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With all the vast experience on the forum I thought I may get some suggestions. I have a Ruger K77/22VHZ in 22 Hornet, I tried many different factory ammo combinations and several handload combinations still the best groups were 2+ inches at 50 Yds. I even got a shim from another person on the net to place between the both halves. not much help, Next I free floated the barrel no help. Finally I called Ruger and sent it back, after I received the rifle, To Ruger's credit no charge to me, they had replaced the bolt, stock, and repaired the barrel. I noticed that the chamber was dirty while the barrel was clean, I am not sure what was actually done. Re-mounted the my Leupold VariXII 4-12x40AO off to the range with factory and handloads, the best I could get at 50 Yds for three shots was .3's Only one load the rest around a inch. Not exactlly happy I ordered a new 22 Hornet barrel for my Encore, I am bound and determined to have a good shooting Hornet, I can't wait for the VVCC 22H barrel. I next thought about possibly rebarreling the Ruger to a 17AH, it does sound fun. I talked to one of the barrel manufactures, but they told me that they haven't had the best results rebarrelling the Ruger. I truely appreciate their honesty. So finally I was looking for suggestions, could I get a reasonable accurate 17AH out of the 77 or just option for another barrel (17AH) for the Encore? Thanks in advance and sorry for the lengthy post.
Modified by Dane F. Schell at Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 18:27:04
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Posted by: jim saubier
03/12/2002, 08:01:43
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I have shot one of these conversions and will say that it shot fantastic. I have heard of several folks who have had fantastic luck with this conversion. Not sure if any have their hornets feeding from the magazine still though which is what I would want from one. It sounds like your current hornet is trying to shoot with atleast one combination, you may want to dig a little deeper with it before pitching the barrel. The .17 AH is a fantastic little round and will do so much more than the .22 Hornet with the exception of shooting factory ammo. Since I am a .17 buff, I would have to encourage you to change it to a .17 Hornet at your earliest convience if you don't get satisfaction from the current barrel. Yes you can get an Encore barrel in .17 AH if you choose but it will be a much heavier gun and not nearly as handy as the 77/22 package that you have.
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Posted by: Dane F. Schell ®
03/12/2002, 09:51:00
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thanks jim
I really don't want to sell the rifle, and would like to have it rebarreled to the 17AH. From what I can read and have learned here on this forum and the articles here and other places I can't wait to jump into the 17 arena. It's the initial cost that will slow the effort, FL and seating dies, since I use mostly Lee case length gauges I'll have to obtain a case trimmer, next is the forming dies, etc. Oh well its only money Hopefully I can convince the other half that it's a necessary got have thing! There is a web site www.z-hat.com/ruger7722.htm that offers a conversion to the 17 AH using Douglas barrels, I have email'd them and waiting their response.
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Posted by: jim saubier
03/12/2002, 11:05:55
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Can't go wrong with Douglas barrels. One thing that I have heard needs improving on the Rugers is the bolt but if Ruger already fixed yours maybe you'll be fine. Not sure of the particulars. As far as forming dies, with the hornet don't even bother. Just get the double end forming die that reduces the neck diameter or buy the brass already formed. The double end forming die from Bullberry is only 35 bucks and can be used to form most .17's. And trimming isn't much of an issue with the Hornet, either as case growth will be slow. If you can swing the conversion, you'll be most of the way there.
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Posted by: Dane F. Schell ®
03/12/2002, 15:49:10
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Thanks again jim, after I get more information on the conversion for the Ruger 77/22 I'll contact Bullberry for the forming die.
Dane
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Posted by: brian m
03/11/2002, 19:59:42
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Howdy folks! I been deciding to (trying to) go with a Tikka Continental in .17 with the stainless bbl and the single set trigger options. I heard that the single set doesn't hold up as well over tyme as the double and I just can't see how the method of cocking affects longevity. Does anyone know anything about these to help fill me in?? Also I see that there were limited Remington offerings in a hvy bbl 700 in .17 Rem. When were they produced and are there any good sources for them?? Thanks for any info and happy shooting!!
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Posted by: Arizona Larry
03/15/2002, 19:00:16
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Hello,
Remington had a limited edition (vss model) rifle out, but I heard that the chamber freebore was excessive. Many sent back to the factory. A few months ago, posts on this forum talked about the vss rifle. Check auctionarms.com, gunbroker.com or gunfinder.net. Hope this helps. Larry
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Posted by: brian m
03/16/2002, 02:27:08
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o wow! Thanks Larry! I know when i saw an add for one I was like Holy Buckets!! I wonder when that run was made. hmmm. Did the factory correct the guns then or just dimantle them. I'll check past posting to see.
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Posted by: Fergus Bailey ®
03/11/2002, 20:31:01
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Hi guys Has anyone tried the Berger 30gn MEF from a 17 Rem with a 1/10" twist? I'm guessing the 1/10 is marginal, but thought it might work. Thanks Fergus
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/11/2002, 21:57:57
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works great in all three of mine,all shoot sub .50 groups just don't push them beyond 3800 fps. they (may) come appart if you do.
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Posted by: Fergus Bailey ®
03/11/2002, 22:32:13
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Great, thanks for the info. I doubt I will push them quite to 3800 as my case is just slightly smaller than a 17 Rem, but for indicative capacity the 17 Rem is a good indicator. Fergus
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Posted by: ChadRack
03/12/2002, 19:31:32
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Then what is it? Something we've heard of, or maybe something new!
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Posted by: Fergus Bailey ®
03/12/2002, 22:31:36
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It’s a 17/222 Imp. I wanted something between a Mach IV and a 17 Rem, with a “better” case shape than the Rem. Picture shows a 222 case before and after forming. Fergus 
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Posted by: jim saubier
03/13/2002, 08:34:45
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Should be a good performer and hopefully won't have the case growth problem that the .17 Rem has.
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Posted by: Fergus Bailey ®
03/13/2002, 17:13:21
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Jim I think it will work well. I’ll let you guys know how my first shots go when I get a chance to go to the range with it in about 10 days time. Fergus
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Posted by: Doug Rumbaugh ®
03/12/2002, 10:58:49
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I shoot the Berger 30 grain match bullets in my 1 in 10 .17 Remington without any problems. They shoot very well as a matter of fact.
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Posted by: Fergus Bailey ®
03/12/2002, 15:26:03
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Thanks Doug Cant wait to give them a try now that I've had these good reports! Fergus
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/11/2002, 22:53:09
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www.charlesdaly.com , how hard do you think it would be to shorten the clip to make it almost flush mount? i'm shure you would loose at least one or two shells, thats all the kimbers held was 3 in the magizine anyway. i know nothing about clips and i admit it. i assume it is a matter of cut and bend new lips and slide the bottom back on . i know this is a simplistic view. or do you cut and weld? i know leave it alone.
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Posted by: Cook
03/16/2002, 21:01:59
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So FHB, what was the response from Charles Daly. I was thinking the same thing about the CZ. The drop down clip looks kinda wrong. Been activly campaigning two dealers and the home office to buy one of their higher end 527 Hornets. All I hear is that they do make them but no one can predict when they will arrive. If and when I find a rifle I'm going to send it to Virgin Valley for ebony tip and grip cap and rechamber to K Hornet. What do you think?
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/17/2002, 00:37:44
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cook i understand there is a campign on to get cz to redesign the guns to a regular floor plate or a flush clip. everone raves about the accuracy they are getting from their guns. i would love to have one on the lines of the 550. i also considered the mini mauser since the opening on the hornet is actualy hornet size, then cut the clip to be flush with the bottom. loosing at least two cartridges is not a great concern, three in the clip and one in the chamber is plenty. i already have a ruger 77/22 hornet and a 17 ah, they are real shooter. they are both set at minimum headspace, this is usualy where the accuracy problems come from. a ruger 77 hornet that was a .50 inch 5 shot shooter at 100 yds became a 3 inch shooter at 100 yds when it was k-ed. the gunsmitk did not set the headspace to minum specs. a .005 shim between the front and rear bolt pieces solved the problem.
sorry for being so long winded bob
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Posted by: Cook
03/23/2002, 22:39:16
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Bob, I got a K Hornet on a in a Ruger that is shooting around .6 @ 100 yards. I am thinking about getting the CZ and opening it to K hornet and taking the little Ruger and making it into a 17 Ack hornet. I am holding out for the Premier. As I understand it, there will be a shipment coming in the end of May. Not in a rush so I'll proably wait until then. Cutting the clip short may be a problem because I believe the clip is integeral to the trigger. But I guess anything is possible.
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