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Posted by: Nick B
03/20/2002, 00:18:10
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Just curious, as he is the only source I've seen for 5mm bullets greater than 36 gr. I've heard Calhoon, but he only lists 19 cal bullets on his website. Thanks.
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Posted by: MikeP
03/20/2002, 16:59:35
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Nick: I believe Schroeder makes his own bullets. I've ordered 5mm (.20 caliber) 40-grain spire points and 40-grain hollow points from him. I really like the looks of the hollowpoints, which have a sharp spire-pointed nose that looks like would yield a great BC factor. By the way, in .20 caliber he offers seven different configurations in 40-grain and 45-grain weights, including round-nose soft points, full metal jackets, soft-nose spire points and spire hollow points. The list price is $23 per 100 count. Not cheap, but I suppose they're not made in the millions of copies that offer low per-unit costs. Loading the 40-grain pointed bullets requires an overall length which may not fit the 5mm Remington clip, whereas the round-nose ones do. However, I'm loading the 5mm rounds so that they exceed the factory specs and clip anyway in order to get increased accuracy by virtue of no or reduced jump to the lands. Single-loading fits my lifestyle anyway.
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Posted by: Nick B
03/20/2002, 23:43:12
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If I did get into the 5mm/.20 cal market I'd probably use something with more kick like the Tactical 20, but its good to know there are more options. Does he have a website listing all this now? Thanks.
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Posted by: MikeP
03/21/2002, 18:22:34
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Nick: Steve Schroeder told me a while back that he does not have an Internet or web site. His phone numbers are 619 423 3523 or 8124.
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Posted by: Nick B
03/20/2002, 23:47:04
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If I did get into the 5mm/.20 cal market I'd probably use something with more kick like the Tactical 20, but its good to know there are more options. Does he have a website listing all this now? Thanks.
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Posted by: Nailman
03/21/2002, 10:02:39
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Schroeder is NOT on-line, email me and I will get you a phone number, Nailman...
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Posted by: Chucker ®
03/20/2002, 00:18:53
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Thinking about fixing my Ruger 22 Hornet. As usual the 22 Hornet will not shoot very well, I have never had one I could brag about. Is there going to be any clip feeding problems? What about seating depth for some of Hornady's 20 gr. VMAX's?
Just testing the water, thanks for any advice.
Your friend, Chucker.
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
03/20/2002, 01:07:45
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chucker have you checked the head space on your 77 . if it is at maximun shim the bolt in the middle till its tight. you will be surprised how much better it will shoot.go to a machine supply company or brownels for shim stock .001,.002..003, ect....
to answer your question i have 2 17 ah on the ruger and they shoot great and no feeding problems.bob
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Posted by: Tackdriver ®
03/20/2002, 10:50:06
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Hello
Who makes 14 calibers, and how committed are the manufacturers to this bore diameter? To phrase another way, will the manufacturers who currently make this caliber of bullet contine in the forseeable future? I have an Encore and a scope without a barrel and there is nothing sadder. So I have to pick a round and I am looking at the 14-221 Walker as a possible alternative to my original choice of 17 Ack Bee. I already own a 17 cal rifle and the "odd smallbore" bug has got me, kinda want to try something different, I just dont want to get orphaned.I also have a wonderful Cooper in 223. Thinking about having Cooper make it a little more exciting, say a 19-223. I know Calhoon is committed to that bullet, are there any others?
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Posted by: russ lucas ®
03/20/2002, 19:56:29
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There are several suppliers of 14 bullets, I am one and I'm not quitting anytime soon. I ordered a new set of low drag boattail bullet dies 3 months ago and learned that there are two other sets being made with mine......so I may be in for some competition, which is fine. the 221 case is very popular, and I know of two that will make cases for you if you don't want to. You can go to my web site at http://www.cyberport.net/russ/bullet.htm and see the links to suppliers. In addition to the two I have posted, Virgin Valley does contenders I hear. If you want a challenge and a fun gun, have a 14 built.
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Posted by: Nick B
03/20/2002, 23:39:51
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You know, the basics like bullet weight and BC? Always been interested in the subcalibers,just haven't jumped in yet. Thanks.
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Posted by: russ lucas ®
03/21/2002, 17:15:06
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Haven't even figured BC on any of the 14's. Figured it would be so low to be unimportant due to current limited range.
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Posted by: Chucker ®
03/20/2002, 17:32:18
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I wish we could get Hornady to cut loose some of their 17 gr. VMAX's which they are using in the 17 HRM cartridge. It would sure make my 17 Ack. Hornet turn into a hummer. Does any one have any connections which we could us as a group, to aquire any of these bullets for testing? I guess could pull them from the 17 HRM cartridge.
Chucker
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Posted by: Scott
03/21/2002, 15:39:41
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I asked right when I heard about 17HMR, they said no, unless
there was enough demand for it. I told them to count me in as a
demander, if you haven't already, an email to them would be a
good idea. Enough emails might convince them to start offering
them.
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Posted by: Cook
03/23/2002, 18:20:55
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Talked to them myself and got a similar answer. They did caution that the HMR bullet was very fragil and came apart at high speeds. Considering the fit it would have with the likes of the Ack Hornet I would guess that they will eventually put it on the market. Does anyone know if they intend to come out with a less fragil bullet that could be used with less damage to edible small game in the HMR?
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Posted by: Nick B
03/20/2002, 23:50:11
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Just wondering, as the .22 Waldog seems to be fairly popular with BR folks. I think either would be more efficient than the off the full-size (overbore) PPC case while still putting bullets out at warp speed. Has this been done before? Thanks.
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Posted by: jim saubier
03/28/2002, 07:54:04
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I thought of doing this myself, for a .20 but the case forming scared me off. Also, not sure that the .20 caliber bullets would be as good as the .17 bullets that we currently have available. Comes down to jacket quality, and the .17's that we are getting are good. Also, the intent of pushing back the shoulder on the case is to limit velocity in the range in which the BR folks will provide top accuracy. Dick Wright pushes his walldog to 3500 fps, but Cook here on our site was only pushing his to about 3200 or 3300 fps. If you wanted to get the PPC case to push the 20's to only 3500 fps, you would be shortening the case a lot and it would require a lot of forming and trimming. Just my .02, it did cross my mind and I thought of doing it for a varmint cartridge pushing the 33 grain V-max or the Berger at 4,000 fps.
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Posted by: Dan Golding ®
04/01/2002, 21:10:26
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Hey guys, haven't Jim Calhoun and Todd Kindler done just what
you're lookin' for already? Jim with his .19/223 and Todd with
his Tactical 20? Both these are 4000+ fps rounds and I can tell
ya from experience that at least the Tac20 is one accurate
little round!
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