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Posted by: Varmint Al ® 03/24/2002, 01:18:53 Author Profile |
17 HMR's First Ground Squirrel Hunt In between rains today, I was able to take the 17 HMR out and shoot some ground squirrels. I slapped together a single page with a few pictures. I really like the 17 HMR. Great little caliber. I have captions on each picture with my impressions of how it went. Click on the link to take a look. Good 17's from Varmint Al  Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm Related link: First Ground Squirrel Hunt with a 17 HMR |
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Posted by: jim saubier 03/25/2002, 20:02:44 |
Looks great. Have you had an opportunity to test it for accuracy from the bench yet? I would love to hear how it is shooting from that Bullberry barrel. thanks again for sharing the pics and hunting story. |
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Posted by: Doug Rumbaugh ® 03/24/2002, 10:21:13 Author Profile |
Everyone says that the .17 is not an acceptable caliber for 100/200 yard benchrest competition. Why? The low recoil should be ideal. I don't think .17s are as much affected by the wind as .224s which sometimes beat the 6mms. Is it the quality of the bullets or has an appropriate case not been found yet? I want to build a short range bench gun but don't want to follow the crowd. I want to be different but I want to have a chance also. Any insights? |
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Posted by: Nick B 03/24/2002, 21:21:06 |
Even the best varmint-style bullets aren't acceptable as competitive bullets to the most accuracy-minded shooters. I know that Starke and Kindler make great bullets, but I doubt even they could compare in concentricity to the .22 and 6mm custom bullets available. Try asking over at Benchrest.com, these guys are really good. peace |
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Posted by: Dan C ® 03/24/2002, 21:36:52 Author Profile |
Talk to Bud Tanner, who advertises here and sells his own 22.5 gr. 17 bullets. I believe he told me his is a Panda, and I have one of his cartridges. It's a 17 Mach IV run in .250" short! He calls it a 17 Mach III. Cute little bugger. Dan C |
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Posted by: Fergus Bailey ® 03/24/2002, 22:02:22 Author Profile |
Doug If you didn’t want a 6mm, I’d be more inclined to go with a 22 than a 17 for a BR gun. I’d expect 17 bullet availability to be one issue and I wonder about barrel supply too. Berger lists a 17 match bullet, but not sure who else is supplying them. When I ordered my last 17 barrel from Shilen, the biggest profile I could get was a 5.5 which is not really enough for a bench gun, though there may well be other good barrels from other makers that would be more suitable. If you do go down the path of a 17 BR gun, I’d suggest a shortened PPC case, as that way you could just pull the barrel and try a 22 or 6mm if the 17 was not competitive enough. It would still be a costly experiment though as you would have a barrel, set of custom dies and maybe a reamer invested at that point. Let us know the outcome. Fergus |
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Posted by: 17VLD 03/24/2002, 22:54:08 |
The ppc is a great case,although probably a little much for 17 BR comp.Lilja and Shilen will make you a great BR barrel among others.Berger and Starke are good bullets ,but I would not really consider them for BR comp,at the risk of sounding like a commercial I did shoot an .048" group at 100yds with Todds new 17 Gold bullets the other day with my 17ppc.To say I am impressed with Todds new offering is an understatement!!If it was me I would build a 17-222 improved along the lines of Fergus Baileys little beauty,or if Todd ever brings out a 17 VarTarg Turbo you could shoot thru the wind and not disturb your bags our your sight picture at all.Good brass is the last part of this recipe and you know lots of good 222 brass is out there,remember the 3 B's Barrel-Brass-Bullets.
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Posted by: jim saubier 03/25/2002, 20:10:19 |
I agree with Matt. I have been tempted to screw on a .17 barrel on my Benchrest gun and give it a go. BUT the only problem for me is the type of Benchrest competition in these parts is Score shooting and the disadvantage of the small hole that the .17 cuts would not make it remotely practical. If for group shooting, I would give it a harder look. The other problem is that I'd have to get a bolt with a .223 boltface to accomdate the cases that would be most appropriate for the .17. The cost of a new bolt for my Nesika action is outlandish and almost the cost of a new action. |
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Posted by: Kurt Achenbach ® 03/25/2002, 09:16:31 Author Profile |
In a back issue of SMALL CALIBER NEWS, in an interview, that question was asked. The reply was - "its hard to see those .17 caliber holes at 100+yds!" Buy a POWERFUL spotting scope. It might become its own class. If WE build it WE will come. |
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Posted by: Al Nyhus ® 03/27/2002, 07:12:04 Author Profile |
Doug, this has been tried. There are a couple of problem areas with the .17's for BR that need attention, at least in my mind. They are:
(1) Brass. I think that any serious attempt at .17 cal. BR mandates the use of a small flash hole case. A shortened (by .100-.125) 220R case with the shoulder angle changed to 30 degrees would make a good starting point. Body taper would remain unchanged, as the shortening would eliminate some of it. (2) Consistent avaiability of BR quality bullets (3) Velocity for accuracy. This is the real kicker....there is ample evidence to show that best accuracy in the .17's is obtained at velocities that are considerably lower than what most .17 shooters are used to. If in fact best accuracy comes at 3500-3600 fps. (for example), the .17's give up a huge amount of B.C. (4) Consistency. The ability to shoot small groups ALL THE TIME is where the .17 falls down. In competitive BR shooting, it's not about shooting the absolute smallest groups, but it's about shooting REASONABLY small groups all the time. This is how you win the Grand Aggregates...consistency. If recoil reduction is why you are leaning toward the .17 for BR, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The 6PPC's in these 10.5 and 13.5 guns give nothing more that a 'tap' during recoil, so it's not like you would be making a major advancement in recoil reduction. It would sure be a neat experiment, if you have the resources i.e., adequate finances, a good temperment for experimenting, a good 'smith committed to helping you through several case designs and barrels, and a bullet maker that would be willing to help. Good shootin'. -Al. |
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Posted by: Doug Rumbaugh ® 03/24/2002, 14:47:03 Author Profile |
It looks like maybe the shoulder angle is different and the body taper is different and some of the other dimensions are off by a little. Maybe a better question is what is the rationale behind the differences? While I am at it, what is the purpose of varying shoulder angle and body taper? Are they simply a way to increase powder capacity? Doesn't increasing both make cycling through the action more difficult? Thanks. |
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Posted by: Dan C ® 03/24/2002, 15:47:27 Author Profile |
Doug, the VLR was designed in I think 1994 mainly to drive the new 37 gr. VLD Berger bullet. Todd never got to the point of really pushing the cartridge and it was sort of shelved. Last year, the 20 Tactical was introduced and has become very popular. Mr. Kindler decided to introduce another high capacity 17 based on the 20 Tactical case which of course is the 17 Tac. The headspace measurements of both are the same so that gusmiths that are set up to chamber the 20 Tac can use the same headspace gauges for the 17 Tactical. The VLR has a little less body taper, with a shoulder diameter of .365", where the Tac is .360". Both use a 30 deg shoulder. Accuracy-minded gunsmiths and cartridge designers have pretty much settled on the 30 degree shoulder as the most efficient and I sure don't know enough about it to say why. But it does allow an increase in capacity while still providing good feeding from a magazine. Same with reduced body taper. Straightening out the taper increases the capacity a surprising amount, but you can only go so far before feeding problems surface. Too straight on the sidewalls and the case just does not want to 'turn the corner' and slide into the chamber. Dan C |
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Posted by: Coyote Slayer ® 03/24/2002, 16:55:49 Author Profile |
yes i talked to Todd a lot about the VLR I had mine built right after he came out with it and was wondering why he was not working on getting it out on the market and by then he had his 20tys really on the move and he lost sight of VLR I really cant blame him it was a good business move I wanted a better wolf rifle than the 17 Rem and the VlR fitted that need my main reason on how the new rifle would be built was as I had put in another poast i really did not like the idea of one company to depend on for bullits. I use a 700 BDL action and have not one problem trying to get them to load I have four in the mag and one in the pipe and even as cold as it gets here still no problems with the rifle as far as killing power I have dropped more than one wolf at 400 yards and i have about a dozen companys to get bullits from.When i saw the 17 Tac was on the list to be brought out I asked todd and he told me that they were very close to the same round and really wished that he would have did a beter selling job on the VLR Have a great sunday: Coyote Slayer Eat Moose 20,000 wolves can't be wrong |
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Posted by: brian m 03/24/2002, 23:10:14 |
Anyone know of a good action to base a fast shooting .17? I have a armalite and would like something other than that. I REALLY wish they made a scaled down BAR in .223 to try a conversion. any info on auto .17's? thanks for the tyme!! |
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba 03/25/2002, 00:34:59 |
rebarrel a ar-15 in 17 rem. i have seen several of these they are real critter getters bob |
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