Posted by: hunter_19_54
03/28/2002, 00:51:12
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Thanks guys for the help. The target they sent me says 11.5 Gr H116. I have tried AA1680 & 2200, H4227.The gun shoots 1/2" or less with 12.3 to 12.5 but I start blowing primers. At 12 Grs it shoots good but I eather split the case necks or the cases start spider webbing at the case neck & sholder. I only get 2 to 3 shoots from a case. I talked to my gunsmith today and he has a reamer on order. I am willing to try anything if you guys think it will help. I use Win cases & primers,20GR V-Max,22 Gr Calhoon.& 25 Gr Rem & Hornady. Thanks for your help Ron
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/28/2002, 08:51:44
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Couple of questions Ron. What is your case forming procedure and what dies are you using? What do your case necks measure after firing? What do you mean by 'spider webbing'? Lastly, try either some Berger or Starke bullets. I had mediocre luck with the V-Max and Calhoons also. Heck, I'll even send you a handful of Starkes to try, and make sure to play with the seating depth. Unless your chamber has an unusually large neck area, the fact that it is generous at the base will not cause you any drastic accuracy problems. Also, if your gunsmith simply ordered a reamer without specifying the dimensions, chances are that the one he gets will be no better than what you have. The chamber Cooper uses is pretty much 'standard', just like all the rest of their chambers. I have had 2 Cooper 17 AH's, and know of at least 3 more, and all are shooters with the right compononts. Mail me if you like, or call 307-778-9374. I hate to see you do something as drastic as setting back and rechambering until all your options are exhausted...........particularly since Cooper says that the rifle is in spec. They probably are not lying. They likely did a chamber cast to check the chamber dimensions and I'm sure they would have fixed it if there was a problem. They really are a good company and want to make their customers happy. Dan C
Modified by Dan C at Thu, Mar 28, 2002, 08:53:17
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Posted by: Cook
03/31/2002, 20:41:13
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One more question, are you sure you arn't leaving contaminents in the cases from tunbleing. Possibly some wax? That'll cause pressure to spike quickly.
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Posted by: Kurt Achenbach ®
03/28/2002, 09:29:26
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I hunt groundhogs in Pa on Mennonite farms exclusively. These people raise a family of up to 12 on about $30,000. So keeping the groundhogs out of the large gardens is a HIGH priority. I've even been shown an ideal shooting position-right outside the kitchen window!
On previous posts the noise of a BD load has been described as "ppffft." Seriously,thats it? That shouldn't rattle the dishes or wake up the little ones like my Ruger 22-250.
At what range can you still expect a clean kill? What is the trajectory?
The more I find out about my little 17 Rem, the more it fascinates me.
Thanks, Kurt
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Posted by: redfeather
03/28/2002, 10:09:24
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Kurt if you are that close to the house I would use either 7g,8g,9g, or 10g of Bluedot. The 10g BD load does a little over 3000fps w/25g bullets, and 3250fps w/20g Vmax bullets. The 10g BD load sounds like a 22 mag. for noise level. Thanks.
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Posted by: Kurt Achenbach ®
03/28/2002, 22:14:04
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Hey, thanks for the quick reply. What primer are you using with the BD? There is an online ballistics program right? Does anybody know it web address? I'd like to see what they can do.
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Posted by: Ryan Gelardi ®
03/28/2002, 13:05:01
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Background:
Been keeping the .17 idea in the back of my mind for a while and now I want one. I thought about the new 17 HMR but can't stand the idea of not being able to "tune" the loads, and I simply love reloading. I want it to meet two needs: 1) low noise level for orchard squirrel shooting near houses and 2) taking care of the close squirrels that I feel guilty taking with my 22 and 6mm centerfires. 125-150yds max range would be fine. 20 gr Vmax at 3,000 fps sounds about right. Just outlayed most of my cash on a custom 6BR so I want to keep costs at a minumum.Q1 - Should I go small, like the CCM, Squirrel, or Ackley Hornet? Or should I go with a Mark IV and develop a reduced charge load to meet my low noise requiremnts? Q2 - What platform should I use and how should I go about it considereing that I'm on a budget? By a new rifle bolt action and have it rechamberd? Used and rebarrel? And I really don't know what bolt face I'd need. Thanks
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Posted by: Tim
03/28/2002, 13:18:59
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I have a .17CCM and a MK IV, get the MK IV, possibly yhe best all round case, great range of bullet weights, inherintly accurate. Also, if you get bored it's probably a better resale item.
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Posted by: Coyote Slayer ®
03/28/2002, 14:37:07
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As to a bolt face anything in 223 would work just fine that bolt covers moast of the 17 cases and the Mach IV is a good round for what you want to do with it plus if you want to take fox or coyote latter on it works two or just go with the 17 Rem.I know you are on a money crunch but a new BDL goes for a round 5 something well good luck on your rifle: Coyote Slayer Eat Moose 20,000 wolves can't be wrong
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Posted by: Chucker ®
03/28/2002, 14:46:10
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Idea for Q1.
The Mach IV may be a little intense. I would go with the Ackley Hornet. Idea for Q2.
Find a used Ruger in a 77/22 Hornet and rebarrel it. This is the cheapest way. I have one which will shoot in the .2's on a good day, with a 18 gr. Berger. The scope dose't even move off the target when you pull the trigger. It has a heavy SS barrel 22" long. Has a trigger job. The flutes are painted black and the barrel is polished to a 600 grit surface. The action is blued steel and the stock is the plane jane Ruger walnut.
Oh, its for sale to. I need about 850.00 for it.
Your friend, Chucker.
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Posted by: Chucker ®
03/28/2002, 15:07:15
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The classic this year for Remington is a 221 Fireball. This would make an easy conversion to a 17 Mach IV. HMMMMM thinking I want another one.
Chucker.
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Posted by: Ryan Gelardi ®
03/28/2002, 22:53:57
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Might consider. I take it you are on the MK4 kick too? Email me when you get a chance with further details. Ryan
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Posted by: DS
03/30/2002, 06:08:31
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Cry once and buy a Cooper. By the time you buy a sub quality factory gun, then pay to have all the work done, you'll have as much in it as the Cooper but it still won't be as good or have the value.
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Posted by: Tom Brush
04/04/2002, 18:34:23
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DS: I was thinking the same thing as I read the above posts. Buy a Cooper for a little more and have something worth a lot more in pride of ownership and resale value.
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Posted by: Rodgervich ®
04/13/2002, 00:24:40
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I'm new here as well and I am also interested in joining the 17 club. I have seen some mentions of Cooper rifles and calibers, where can I find out more about Cooper stuff? Website?
From my limited research I have seen that forming die sets for the 17's are fairly high (compared to plain reloading dies), what brand is recommended?
Thanks
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Posted by: gunnut ®
05/03/2002, 04:30:36
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I shoot jacks in almond and apricot orchards all the time.I love 17 ack hornet with small bullets.No ricoquet not much noise and deadly accurate.The hits are devastating.Orchard shooting is good,even had farmers offer to pay for my ammo. gunnut
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Posted by: Scooter
03/28/2002, 14:42:02
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What is a good starting load with Benchmark powder in the 17 Mach IV? I am not able to find any data using this powder. The burn rate charts say Benchmark is just under N133 but I want to play it safe for starters. Thanks
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/28/2002, 15:28:32
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Benchmark is excellent in the Mach IV. My current load with 25 gr. bullets using Benchmark is 19.0 to 19.2 grains for around 3800 fps. I've gone up to over 3900 without hurting the brass. A good place to start would be around 18.4 or so. Dan C
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Posted by: Scooter
03/29/2002, 12:03:27
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Thanks Dan C. I will give that a try. Have you found Benchmark to be resistent to changing velocities in hot weather like Hodgdon says it is supposed to be?
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Posted by: Dan C ®
03/29/2002, 12:47:39
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Can't say for sure as all I've used it in is hot weather so far in the M4, but I'm hopeful! I use it in a 20 Tactical and it does seem to hold it's velocity in very cold weather. Dan C
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Posted by: bruce H ®
03/29/2002, 23:01:44
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your powder is made in Australia by ADI and marketed in the US under the hodgden brand name. All ADI powder is "supposed" to be temperature stable, it apparantly has been tested here in all extremes. I have an ADI reloading guide here, and it suggests using either AR2207 or AR 2206 in the 17 mach1V, benchmark doesn't rate a mention for that calibre. Do you have either of those designations in the hodgden brand there? If so will give you some data if you wish.
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Posted by: Lee in OH ®
03/30/2002, 08:04:51
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Here's what it did in my rifle. Here's a link to my .17 Mk. IV page too... Benchmark
16.8 gr. 3352 fps 18.3 gr. 3649 fps
17.1 gr. 3413 fps 18.6 gr. 3693 fps
17.4 gr. 3486 fps 18.9 gr. 3776 fps
17.7 gr. 3564 fps 19.2 gr. 3786 fps
18.0 gr. 3539 fps (C)19.5 gr. 3874 fps hope this helps Visit my homepage at....
http://www.geocities.com/hogshooter_2000/
Related link: My .17 Mach IV page
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Posted by: Lee in OH ®
03/30/2002, 08:05:52
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25 grain Starkes and a CCI-400 primer from a 22" barrel on a T/C Encore Visit my homepage at....
http://www.geocities.com/hogshooter_2000/
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