Posted by: Phil Imamura ®
04/06/2002, 00:27:57
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Followed Lee in OH suggestion forming M4 casings using the Redding Form #1 die, seating die minus stem and full length die. Works great.
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Posted by: Cook
04/06/2002, 08:50:34
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Hey Jim, is there any way you can do a sort on your archives??
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Posted by: jim saubier
04/08/2002, 08:26:05
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What would you like to see? I have some options, but at this point was just archiving them.
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Posted by: Cook
04/13/2002, 21:51:38
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Go to shooters.com and if you want to pull all strings that pretain to a specific cartridge you can get a recap on all entries over "X" period of time. If you wanted to find information on the Tactical 20 you would put in the key word "Tactical 20" and you will pull from your history. Don't want to sound like I don't appreciate what you already have. It's a great site and it's #1 or #2 on my list of sites to skim through. Thanks for all of your effort!
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Posted by: Nailman
04/06/2002, 15:00:52
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Fastex or Moly, I know little about either. Who uses what? Thanks, Nailman....
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Posted by: Cochise
04/06/2002, 17:32:55
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There has been some reports of moly causing rust pits in chrome moly barrels if they are allowed to get damp. Thats not why I quit using it though. The stuff is just a plain pain in the butt to fool with. That black stuff gets everywhere and it takes a lot of work to get it out of a bore if you don't want it any more. Besides that it takes several rounds to get the rifle shooting back to point of impact after cleaning it and letting the moly on the bullets coat the bore again. I dont know about fastex but if it is as much trouble as moly I would not fool with it either. Now I just shoot and clean like normal and dont try any more shortcuts.
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Posted by: MikeP
04/06/2002, 19:36:43
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I bought some materials to apply moly to my bullets a couple of years ago but was stopped from using it by reports that the stuff is "hygroscopic." When I looked up the word, it was defined as "absorbing moisture from the atmosphere." Sounds like salt! Well, that turned me off right away, since I live in an area with lots of heat and humidity, and I sure don't want anything attracting moisture into the bore. My bores don't need any help attracting moisture around here. They do it quite well by themselves. I have seen reports of tests indicating that, indeed, moisture can be attracted to and form rust under the moly coating on metal. Fortunately, I believe the problem is controllable with proper cleaning and oiling, and certainly there are thousands of very experienced shooters who seem to be quite pleased with moly bullets. For me, however, I just didn't think the benefits overweighed the deficits. I can't see putting a hygroscopic material in my barrels. I don't know if I could sleep at night.
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Posted by: Amos
04/06/2002, 21:24:31
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The molybdenum is actually pretty much chemically inert. What causes the oxidation is the combination of sulfuric compounds in molybdenum disulfide (what moly actually is) with moisture that produces an acid, which is sure to corrode unprotected steel. No one will say what Fastex actually is except that it is a hydrocarbon. So are a lot of things like various plastics and even teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene). Some shooters have claimed that their bores pitted when using Fastex. Did it trap moisture under a coating? Maybe, it's hard to say without any more info than we shooters get with strictly anecdotal evidence. Any time you try something new you take a chance. What we need is some decent independent testing on these things.
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Posted by: Drifter
04/06/2002, 22:41:34
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I shoot moly in my 17's with no problems at all. Just about everyone sells moly'd bullets now, so that is no hassle, or if I get some that need it , an asprin bottle with a box of bullets and a little scoop of tech grade moly($14 from midway) tape around the lid and chuck it in the tumbler for 30 mins , and that's that. I soot moly coated bullets only in the 17's, but do not treat the bores with the paste or anything. I clean after every shooting session, wether its one shot at a fox in a day or 50 at the range. With polished bores and moly'd bullets I get almost no copper fouling in my 17 rem and my m4 was the same way. same for my 7mm rem mag I think the moisture issue is pretty much not a concern if you take care of your guns. I hunt on kodiak island wich is as wet as it gets, and never have a problem with blued guns or moly in the bores. give it a try , and make your own conclusions. see ya
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Posted by: jim saubier
04/08/2002, 08:23:04
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BARE NAKED BULLETS for me. I have used Moly a little. I have used Fastex. When I used Moly, I was trying to eliminate a factory barrel from fouling. The Moly didn't help, so I went back to bare bullets again. I have little experience in using Moly in a custom barrel. Since I don't have to fire long strings without cleaning, I don't think that there could be any advantage for me.
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Posted by: BROOKS
04/08/2002, 08:31:03
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Hey Jim, I have a 17 HeBee and 17 Ack Hornet in VE Coopers and a 17 Ack Bee in a Rampro. Using moly I shoot between 70 and 100 shots before cleaning and when I clean I use a patch with Kroil and two dry patches and that is it.
For me and my shooting I wouldn't be with it.
Brooks
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Posted by: Nailman
04/08/2002, 10:30:08
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sounds like moly is the way to go. I still feel lost though!!!
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Posted by: BROOKS
04/09/2002, 08:14:43
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I am lost most of the time also.
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Posted by: Dan Golding ®
04/15/2002, 22:53:30
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Where can one even acquire Fastex anymore? I first heard about
it just at the time it was pulled off the market, due to claims
of ruined barrels. Glenveigh Developments Limited offered to
replace anyone's barrel which had been ruined by their product
but had no takers. One informed source told me that the rumor
was started by a bench rest shooter who was disatisfied with
Fastex. Could be - lots of rumors. My question is, does anyone
here know where to purchase it?
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Posted by: Nailman
04/17/2002, 11:29:46
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Try Jim Briggs
jhrvb101@email.msn.com
Phone@763-420-7163
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Posted by: jim saubier
04/18/2002, 07:56:40
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I have some that I'll part with. 2 bottles I believe that have been in my cabinet for a coupla years. I used it for a .17 Remington and coated a batch of bullets. I failed to see a benefit that would justify the time spent in coating the bullets. The barrel that I used it in would foul regardless of moly or fastex - but it did shoot well.
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Posted by: Nailman
04/18/2002, 20:18:46
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So do you use Moly? Or just good old plain bullets? Nailman...
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Posted by: rw71730 ®
04/06/2002, 18:51:46
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I have been lurking around this forum for some time now and I registered so I could make this post. I wanted to say Thank You to my buddy Don(I know you visit this forum) for all to see. I have just complete my 1st .17 caliber project (a Mach IV) and I would have never made my way through this without Don's help and guidance. I made some mis-steps along the way and he was always there to offer me a comforting word to ease my fears and concerns and a word of guidance to get me going. This afternoon he spent 3 hours with me at the range helping me work up a load for it. Thanks, my friend, I hope you know how much I appreciate you.
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Posted by: jim saubier
04/08/2002, 08:19:10
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Aren't you gonna tell us how it shot, what your load was, etc. Glad you got through your first .17 project with success.
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Posted by: rw71730 ®
04/08/2002, 19:31:40
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I ended up with a 25 grain Starke Red Prairie bullet and 18.4 grains of Accurate 2460. Shooting over my chronograph I had a low of 3799 fps and a high of 3780 fps with the majority of shots [(1) 3 shot string and (1) 5 shot string] running around 3830 fps. Groups were around 3/4" (I did not measure them), but considering the conditions, I was pleased. All my 1st 17 project has done for me is make me want to do another one.
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Posted by: rw71730 ®
04/08/2002, 19:40:10
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Think I posted this in the wiorng place the 1st time. Sorry. I ended up with a 25 grain Starke Red Prairie bullet and 18.4 grains of Accurate 2460. Shooting over my chronograph I had a low of 3799 fps and a high of 3780 fps with the majority of shots [(1) 3 shot string and (1) 5 shot string] running around 3830 fps. Groups were around 3/4" (I did not measure them), but considering the conditions, I was pleased. All my 1st 17 project has done for me is make me want to do another one.
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