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Posted by: barry ross ® 04/23/2002, 09:47:20 Author Profile |
howdy, please bear with me as i learn the .17 world. I shoot prairie dogs almost exclusively. I like to see Red Mist and have designed two of my .223R's on Savage actions to be super heavy with Choate sniper stocks and 4-14x40 Springfield Armory scopes. They weigh in around 15#, so I can usually see the bullet strike and the resulting ''mist''. I have found the best 224 ''mist'' bullet to be the Sierra Blitz-King Will the .17 Remington ''mist'' prairie dogs?? Which is the most explosive bullet for ''misting''?? TIA Happy trails, Barry |
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Posted by: Doug Rumbaugh ® 04/23/2002, 15:35:05 Author Profile |
I have never shot prairie dogs and shoot mostly eastern groundhogs which are larger. My comments may not apply to prairie dogs but most of my .17 kills (and the reason the caliber is so much liked by fur hunters) is that you get a very small hole going in and nothing coming out; the total energy of the bullet is expended inside the animal. You have to look very closely to see why this varmint is now "sleeping". The kill is instantaneous and externally nondestructive. I use Berger 25 and 30 grain bullets. Maybe others can comment on an explosive .17 bullet.
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba 04/24/2002, 00:41:55 |
if you are looking for red mist the 17 is not the way to go.
i have killed thousands of prarie dogs with a 17 rem and 17-223 they kill with hydrastatic shock not bullit explosion. yes you can dismember a prarie dog with a 17 but not the type of helicopter stuff a 243 with a 60 hp. bob |
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Posted by: 17VLD 04/23/2002, 21:26:10 |
Berger 22mefs as far as explosive kills out of my Mach1V.I have since switched to 25 Starkes as they have a nice hollow point also,and they are very accurate.My trials with the Mach1V are always ongoing and I have really enjoyed the 27grn .090bt Kindler bullet also while its hollow point is quite small its bc is great,I seem to be trending towards the better bc bullets
at this point,but the big hp's are fun too.I can't wait to get out this spring and try the 17ppc 10-twist with some light bullets(20 v-max) and see what they do to pd's. Regards Matt |
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Posted by: gunnut ® 04/27/2002, 03:31:30 Author Profile |
Get some Calhoon 17's gunnut |
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Posted by: MikeP 04/23/2002, 19:17:39 |
I'm slowly working up loads for the 5mm Remington (rimfire) Magnum converted to centerfire by a new Schroeder bolthead. So far, I've only used Schroeder 40-grain bullets. I'm currently settled on his hollowpoint .2045s. I could spend the rest of the barrel on these, because they shoot well. But one of these days I'm gonna run into some of those 33-grain Hornady V-Max .20's. It seems MidSouth and Cabella's and even Hornady itself are perpetually out of these bullets. They must be selling like hotcakes. I've tried calling Varmint Den, but the line's continuously busy. So, today I ordered several hundred more Schroeder 40-grain hollowpoints. I'm happy with these anyway. I'm getting about 2000 fps with these. If I want more velocity, I'll switch to my .221s or .222s or 220s. The two powders I've tried so far are an old lot of H-2400 and a new lot of IMR 4227. I'm currently shooting the IMR 4227, with the bullet seated way out for single-loading behind a slightly compressed caseload of 6 grains of the IMR. Doing well. I'm not a benchrester, so I'm not seeking the last .001-inch of accuracy. But at 66 yards last weekend, the little 5mm made short work of a crow...no cawing, just a helicoptering down in a flurry of feathers. I like the little 5mm because of a mild report and effective accuracy. I think this little gun's going to be my favorite crow rifle. It's a bit destructive for anything edible. So far, I've reloaded a batch of Schroeder 5mm cases four times, with no signs of fatigue. |
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Posted by: Nailman 04/24/2002, 08:41:31 |
It is good that you didn't use the Hornady becuse they are going to stop making them. I'm GLAD to hear the report for the famous 5MM. Nailman... |
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Posted by: MikeP 04/24/2002, 17:33:35 |
Nailman: I got through today to the Woodchuck Den and ordered several hundred 36-grain .20 Bergers. I hope the .20 market catches on, as it should prove to be a good fit between the .17s and .22s. I know many precision airgun shooters like the .20s as a compromise between the .177 and .22 caliber pellets. I see no reason why it wouldn't work that way with firearms. I hope Hornady doesn't drop the V-Max .20s. I'll be trying more types of bullets as I can get my hands on them, and more powders. It ain't exactly the search for the Holy Grail, but it's a lot more fun. I'm tempted to turn one of my .221 Fireballs into .20s. Hum..... By the way, are you still shooting your 5mm? |
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Posted by: MarinePMI ® 04/24/2002, 10:04:30 Author Profile |
Hmmm.... I was talking with a friend the other night about the 5mm. With the .17HMR being the rage around here lately, it makes you wonder what Remington will do to compete. Will they chamber for the .17 hummer, or re-release the 5mm? It's definitely make for an interesting debate... And of course there has always been the rumor for the past couple of years that Remington was developing a centerfire .20 round for commercial release... MarinePMI |
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Posted by: jim saubier 04/24/2002, 12:10:16 |
Sure hope somebody from Remington is listening. I think that a small centerfire .20 cal would be fantastic. But of course it wouldn't sell unless it had a name like Ultra Mag, super boomer, or something else like that. ANd it would probably have to be reported to retain 10,000 ft/lbs of energy at 1200 yards. Just amazes me that we need more magnum 30's and 7mm's - how many rounds are fired through those big guns per year. Just seems that the varmint shooters have been ignored for so long. When was the last new commercial varmint cartridge released - discounting the 17HMR of course which I think is a great offering which I have already grown to appreciate. So how about a small .20? I predict that if a company offers a .20 that it will be on the .223 case. |
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Posted by: MarinePMI ® 04/24/2002, 16:48:47 Author Profile |
Jim, Man, I hear ya! A few years ago (man, has it been that long?) I believe Shooting Times or Handloading Times had an article on that very same thing. Along with that were the rumors of Remington experimenting on a .20cal centerfire cartridge. It was, as you mentioned Jim, based on the .223 cartidge (big surprise) and also I believe on a PPC or some other similiar sized cartridge. You bring up an interesting point on how many rounds are fired out of the standard 7mm/30cal deer rifle. Makes you wonder huh? A commercially available 20-223 or Tactical Twenty sure would be a dandy! |
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