Posted by: Larry Roach
05/17/2002, 08:19:10
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Hey guys, have read the forum for a while but never used it. I have a Cooper 21, 24" stainless barrel I'm trying to develop loads for. I'm using 4320 on all loads with Rem. 7 1/2 primer. All bullets are moly coated. It shoots 25 gr. Hornady's with 24-24.2 grains 4320 in .245-.265 groups, which is great. The other two bullets I've tried are Berger 25 gr.mef and Starke 25 gr red prairie varmint. These two just will not settle in for me. Do I need to go up or down, have been down to 23 grains of 4320 on both loads.
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Posted by: Drifter
05/17/2002, 12:11:22
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in my classic 24g of 4320 with fed 205m primers the 25 g moly starkes are the ticket, groups are consistantly under 1/2". I am seating them just touching the lands. The hornadys are just about the same and bergers are not so good but still under 1". The 20 g v-max is my problem child , can't get those suckers to shoot under 1" no matter what I do, fast slow moly bare no matter.
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Posted by: jim saubier
05/17/2002, 13:08:25
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You may try adjusting the seating depth to just touch the lands if possible. If you are shooting them all at the same seating depth, you may not be able to get optimum with the Starke's and Bergers. The Starkes should do well in your gun, but if you have the Hornady's shooting so well, don't worry about it. The Hornadys are good bullets, and accuracy is the key.
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Posted by: Larry Roach
05/17/2002, 13:59:10
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Jim, thanks for the reply. I have moved in and out on all three loads.
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Posted by: jim saubier
05/17/2002, 16:11:03
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Buy a mess of hornady 25 grain bullets and don't look back. Some barrels find a preference for a particular bullet - don't force feed them something that they don't like. Like trying to get my boy to eat peas, we both end up wearing the peas and he still doesn't eat them.
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Posted by: 17VLD
05/21/2002, 00:07:12
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But Jim I love SEVENTEENS!LOL
All kidding aside, sounds like you have a great little 17 shooter coming along Jim,but please don't make him eat peas,I know
you have his best interest at heart but he will be fine with out eating peas.I turned out ok.
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Matt
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Posted by: jim saubier
05/21/2002, 09:23:01
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Actually, I have 3 sons. Hence the reason to have so many guns. My oldest son, got his first gun when he was 3 - a Remington 870 pump in .410. Of course he hasn't shot it yet, but it is waiting for him when he is ready. The Marlin .17V that I have will be cut down to youth size as soon as I am done messing with it - for their first rifle. I bought a contender carbine in 7-30 waters for their first deer rifle. I am gonna get a youth stock for it so it'll fit them too. They will certainly have good equipment when they come of age.
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Posted by: Rick in Oregon
05/17/2002, 11:14:02
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Have a good load using the 25gr Berger with H322, can anyone suggest a good load with the 20gr V-Max? Have a bunch on hand and want to try them on ground squirrels. A load using H322 would be perfect..... TIA for any responses.
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Posted by: 17VLD
05/20/2002, 23:53:23
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I tried Benchmark.It works great,I almost gave up but I'm glad I did'nt.I would start with 19.0grns and go up a 1/10 or 2/10grn
at a time.My rifle has always liked every bullet from 22Berger mef's on up to 30 Bergers and the 25 and 30grn Starkes,but the 20 V-Max was the one that I just had fits with.Its worth it to find yourself some Benchmark,you'll be glad you did.
Regards
Matt
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Posted by: Chucker ®
05/21/2002, 13:52:34
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I have had real fine performance with the 20 VMAX and H322. the load I have been using is 20 gr. H322. but be careful this load is on the warm side for my rifle and will probably be too hot for yours. Start at about 18 gr. and work up. I get just a little bolt lift but only slightly. My rifle seems to be able to handle this powder charge but yours may not. The velocity is 4350 fps. on that load and it will shoot into a crow's eye.
Becareful and have fun. Your friend, Chucker.
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Posted by: Rick in Oregon
05/22/2002, 12:16:11
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'preciate it!
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Posted by: RemRod ®
05/17/2002, 14:34:25
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was wandering how these work on prairie dogs ??? they been working great on paper for me.hope to get to try some this summer on PD's. Thanks Guys, Rod
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Posted by: Alex M. Clarke ®
05/17/2002, 19:47:52
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... a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle filled with water. A bullet that will cause the bottle to rupture will cause a similar effect with a groundhog or prairie dog. You can even practice getting "air time". Shot one yesterday (wind is keeping the 'hogs down in my eastern Virginia area) and got 25 yards! Typically, a 22-250 with a 40 gr Blitzking will almost turn the bottle almost inside out, even at 200 yards A 17 Rem shooting 25 gr Starke RPVB will come close to doing the same. A 33 gr. Hornady VMax from a Tac 20 will also cause a "vapor ball." A 17AH with a 20 gr Starke will split the bottle open and cause major damage at 200 yards. If you just don't have a critter to test it on at the time you're doing your workup, this test setup does great. Since I stop on the way home and get a Pepsi every night, I have a trunk full to shoot. Even go so far as to shoot one off-hand every evening that I take a 'hoggin' stroll and fail to see a 'hog. Keeps my eye in. Alex
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Posted by: vmthtr in green bay ®
05/21/2002, 06:46:14
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I just got home from my annual SD trip to shoot dogs. I shot 50 of the Tanners and 300 of the Starke 20g out of my HeBee. Only difference was the Tanners were a little better in the wind. Subjective of course due to the 20-30 mph wind on the day I shot them. Terminal performace was very good. Got arials from well hit dogs out to 200-250 yards. Low recoil and flat. When I get the pics back I will try to post them. Mike
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Posted by: ODinOhi
05/17/2002, 14:52:58
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I have a Rem 700 BDL in 223 that I really dont have a need to shoot anymore. I'd like to convert it into a MachIV. Anyone know of a good gunsmith in Northern Ohi that could do the job? What would a good barrel be, what twist? Should I get the action blueprinted? Hows about a new stock. This is something that I could take my time with and do it right, as I can afford it. Any idea what the total pricetag would be except for the stock? Or should I just go out and buy a Cooper 21? Right now my pockets are empty, but in the near future I'd like to get something going. Thanks in advance, OD
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Posted by: jim saubier
05/17/2002, 16:07:14
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to my 700 classic that was a .17 Rem. I made it a .17 Javelina that I must shamefully say I haven't shot yet. The cost will be around 400.00 to get a match stainless barrel and have it chambered for your gun. If you choose to have any action truing work done, it will be more. I had minimal action truing done, recoil lug ground, face trued, and lugs lapped. I kept my factory stock because I like it but I plan on glass bedding it and maybe even pillar bedding it. The barrel is floated on mine, but I really need to glass bed the action. There should be a number of competent gunsmiths in your area, just look for one that has a reputation amongst the accuracy world.
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Posted by: SunRa
05/17/2002, 20:14:47
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Whats up OD, If you have seen any of my posts about my .243 AI, a gunsmith up in Minerva OH did all the smithing. He came highly recomended from good sources. Now, about the Mach IV, if it were ME I would go with a cool chambering that not alot of other guys have. But in these frateritys of shooting, everyone has shot everything, or known someone who has. Personaly, I would go with a Vartarg© cartridge, or a Tac 20, or a 19 calhoon etc. Somthing less common than the Mach IV. But the flip side is, lotsa guys shoot it for good reason, and there is lots of info to your avail. Todd Kindler at the Chuckden would be a good person to contact about all of the above chamberings, including the Mach IV. He coincedentaly lives in northern OH also! (OD, do we see a pattern of Ohio coolness these days? lol)
But anywhoos, let me know if you want more info on the smith and stuff. -Happy rifle dreaming, Sunny Raski
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Posted by: foxhunterbubba
05/18/2002, 00:14:59
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i would never rain on someones parade but when i made this conversion in a model seven( same action as yours) the gun would never eject properly. it would simply drop the shell in the magazine. the ejector was out of time for the short shell case. i wonder if this is why the new remington 700 classic i 221 fb is late for release?
good shooting bob
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Posted by: JLDakota ®
05/18/2002, 09:36:12
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SunRa,
Like Bob, I had a notion to send a Mod 7 17Rem to an excellent smith to be rebarreled and chambered as a Mk4. He advised me against it stating I whould have ejection problems as a repeater. He said the short actioned Sako's would feed the 221 case fine. I am now considering having a Vixen converted to one of Dan C's 19 FBI's which I feel would cure my itch to own something on the 221 case and in my mind cover simlar ground as the Mk4 but with a little more of everything. Jim
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Posted by: jb0767 ®
05/19/2002, 04:10:29
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I went through this with my gunsmith a few weeks ago. I had semi decided to build a mach IV on the small Sako, but I was wondering whether that was such a good choice, and was considering a change to a Remington action. End result of the discussion, is that the Remington will be used for something else, and the Sako will be built into a mach IV and 221 Fireball switch barrel. Get to try two cartridges, with only one excuse to wife.
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