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260Ackley 05-25-2019 03:46 AM

Square necks
 
How important are square necks when reloading? I haven't had issues in the past with new brass, FL size to round the necks and load. I recently purchased some new 308 winchester brass and I'm use to some necks being out of round but most were pretty bad, and a vast majority were not square . I'm necking up to 358 so I'm losing some length already and would prefer to not trim but the necks aren't square. This isn't a bench or varmint gun, used for deer under 200yds. But I like my deer rifles to shoot no larger then 1 in groups at 100 yds. Do you think the squareness is an issue in this application?
If so I would loose more length and have to order in a new trimmer pilot.

Oso Polaris 05-25-2019 05:38 AM

Uniformity leads to repeatability
 
Just to clarify - by "square neck" do you mean that the mouth of the cases are not perpendicular to the case body or that all edges of the mouth are not even/parallel with each other?

You want uniformity, which leads to consistent repeatability. I would recommend that you trim the case mouth so there is uniform contact with bullet as it exits case. If you aren't convinced that its worth the effort then load up 15 rounds (3 sets of 5 shots) without trimming and 15 shots with cases trimmed square to same length. Shoot them at range and Compare the results.

260Ackley 05-25-2019 01:26 PM

Case necks aren't perpendicular to the body. One side of the mouth is longer than the other

260Ackley 05-25-2019 01:28 PM

I've been reloading for years and have never seen cases this out of square so it hasn't been an issue. Super disappointed with the quality of Winchester brass.

Bill K 05-25-2019 01:34 PM

I would trim/square the off as little as I had too and then measure to see if they are way to short to use. Or call the company and see if they would replace them. Bill K :)

TinMan 05-25-2019 01:38 PM

I would trim to square them up.

SEM 05-25-2019 02:35 PM

my holeyer than thou rifle maker has convinced me that a few thousands out of square makes no difference, at ignition the case neck expands and does not touch the bullet as it exits the case, ??? the dude shoots a piece of AR500 .5" x .5" 9" long at 300 yards to proof his work, if he misses it is not when anyone is watching

hemiallen 05-25-2019 02:36 PM

My thought is, from doing this myself ( 308 to 358) you may find out there also is runout on the deformed brass, due to the sized up brass's neck not being centered on the body. If you roll them on a flat surface is there a bunch of runout? This may be why the necks are not square to the case body. The neck thickness probably is also not uniform, being either thicker or thinner where it is longer. That extra length came from somewhere....

Also, Is this just-formed or once fired formed brass? If before firing, I would trim one with the least out of square neck and load it to see what happens, and load one bad case to compare to. Find some way to use a flat file and get as square as possible for this test.

Allen

260Ackley 05-25-2019 03:03 PM

This is brand new brass in 308, it was out of square before necking up. It appears less so after its necked up but I think the angle appears less as it is over a wider mouth

ray h 05-25-2019 06:25 PM

260- Starline is making 358 Win brass, it's in stock.


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