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Old 11-09-2011, 05:42 PM
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I swore I'd never lay hands on another black rifle after I got out of the service in the late 60's. A multitude of reasons but I won't bore ya with em.
Years go by and my personal friend and Purchase Mentor extraordinaire Dan C. got to working on me and "ooops, there I go again".
Paying attention to what you said about "can you just buy one or does it have to be pieced together?" which was one of my questions I'd like to add this. I bought an (out of the box, stock) Bushmaster "Predator". All I did to it was a thorough fire one and clean to bare metal break in using colloidal graphite, (Yeah I know a real pain but I'm sure glad I did it) and hung a good piece of glass on it Nikon Monarch 6.5X20X42 I think.
Long story short mine dotes on 55 and 60 grain V-Max's as well as Hornadys 55 grain SP W/C soft point, cheap but drives tacks.
Here's a few pics:

First a smaller than average (but not totally uncommon small) 5 shot 100 yard group, this is the one where it was pointed out and jogged the old brain cells about the first round, hand racked out of the magazine by hand is a throw away round if your shooting for groups.



Next a more common or "slightly" larger than average size 5 shot 100 yard group.



This rifle shoots 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups like clockwork, "honest". Keep in mind that's off a bag with 20X glass on it. 20 years ago if a guy bought an off the rack, heavy barrel, synthetic stock Remington Varmint .223 that shot this well ya woulda been happy IMO. I have been amazed by how this thing shoots.
Great trigger on it from the factory as well as a riser so all I needed for a scope was rings.
Paid right at a grand for it new a year or so back.

Here's it's first shot on a critter at (as memory serves), 287 yards (note hole in right ear).



Here's it's next shot on a varmint about 15 minutes later.



There were a lotta shots like that that afternoon as well as a goodly number of seriously vaporized gophers but you get the idea.
I can't overstate how impressed I've been with this Bushmaster Predator for an off the rack rifle. It is definitely a "just buy it and use it varmint rifle in my opinion".
That's my take for what it's worth.
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:40 PM
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:20 AM
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It's pretty easy to build a good shooting AR. Just buy whatever parts kit or gun you want....it doesn't matter. Then stick a Pac-Nor super match barrel on it, and a decent trigger and you will be set. AR's can average 1/2" groups, no problem...with some 1's, 2's and 3's thrown in for good measure.







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Old 11-10-2011, 03:26 AM
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Thanks alot for the info Lots to digest keep it coming

Tony will you be at tulsa gun show? if so maybe we could meet.

thanks
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:42 AM
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I have built a couple of them and they are very simple to put together, an armors tool is a big must though as it is needed to torque the barrel nut on, the tool is cheap though.

I built my dad one for veterans day last year it has a nodak spud lower and then I had it engraved with the Colt markings and us property and then i mated it with an actual Colt 1968 upper then had it all re-anodized by US Anodizing to the correct colors. It is an XM16E1 and looks perfect, it even shoots pretty good for who knows how many rounds have been fired through it.

My second one I built for me is a Colt HBAR 14.5" barrel with BCM upper and lower, the Colt barrel is chromed and 1/7 twist, and 5.56 Nato chamber. It is fairly accurate for what I want it to do. I also did a gas conversion, mainly because it is a novel thing, not that it needed it.

If I was going for utmost accuracy I'd definitely get a 20" barrel and not have it chromed and free float the barrel. As for the Wylde, 223 or 5.56 Nato chambers I really can't help anyone there. I have found though that parts are just like everything else out there, good stuff isn't cheap and you will probably regret buying cheap stuff. Most of my parts come from http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ sometimes brownells as well.

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Old 11-10-2011, 04:50 AM
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I know I speak for every aussie here, you fellas are so lucky. We lost all our semi auto's years ago. It would be a lot of fun to have something like those rifles shown. Surprised how accurate they are.

But of course Australia is a much safer country now

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Old 11-10-2011, 06:18 AM
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I know I speak for every aussie here, you fellas are so lucky. We lost all our semi auto's years ago. It would be a lot of fun to have something like those rifles shown. Surprised how accurate they are.

But of course Australia is a much safer country now

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Shame what happened to you folks, I used to consider Down Under part of my escape plan should the Socialists screw this country up so bad that I had to grab my guns and leave...now I have to find somewhere else to go.
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:51 AM
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New Zealand is the place mate

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Old 11-10-2011, 06:15 PM
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I know building a rifle from scratch will probably be a heck of lot more expensive than buying one out right.
However I’m thinking the knowledge I might gain from going this way may be more valuable in the end.
What are you all’s thoughts on that? Could pay for it as I get the $’s now that I’m on retirement time.

I’m starting to get the “gotta-have-it” feeling with this discussion.
I will be doing some web surfing looking for “How Too” AR sites, but in the meantime are there any websites or
periodicals that would be of use to someone wanting to build their first Black Rifle?

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Old 11-10-2011, 06:27 PM
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Larry, I'm not sure it is more expensive. Most guys their idea of 'building one" is building the lower and buying the upper. Regardless you save on a 8% excise tax on complete rifles which is worked into the purchase by buying lower and upper separately. Factor in most of us start pulling the factory stuff off as soon as we get it, ie trigger, grip, charging lever, stock, just to name a few parts. All of the rifles I've owned except for a Colt SP1 were built, even in the case of a 100% RRA Varminter.
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