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Old 10-18-2020, 02:07 AM
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Were they originally singleshot rifles or converted from repeaters?
The Model 38 single-shot actions were later in '94/'95 and rare in CCM chamberings.
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Old 10-18-2020, 05:44 AM
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Good post Kiwi:

Don't think I've seen any other Coopers ever besides the two I've had
except on here in pictures.

The .17 VR I got from foxhunter was originally .17 CCM: ser# 17-207.

The 20 VarTarg I bought from Phil and just sold a month ago.
Ser # 2251 No letters on either one.

Both M-38, the VarTarg was a single shot and new, has the Buick vents.

The .17 was shortened and rechambered to .17 VR, that was a mag type
repeater that gave both Bob and I feeding trouble. We both sent it back to
Cooper to sort out.
My turn they gave up on it and changed to single shot.
I still have this one.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:17 AM
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Well I got the below from the Cooper history that was posted on the Cooper website and also from the Cooper website over the years

Model 36 TRP-1 3 front locking lugs, rimfire with a stock design that met ISU rules. 50 produced
Model MS-36 Made on the M36 action as a metallic silhouette rifle

Model 38 – 22CCM and 17CCM 3 front locking lug 4-shot repeater. Approx. 280 22CCM’s produced along with another 500 17CCM’s
Repeating version of the M38 discontinued in 1994

The Model36 was redesigned in 1992 to a 3 mid locking lug 5-shot repeater in 22lr. Intrduced in 1993 and produced in several sporting rifle stock designs along with a BR-50 and IR 50/50 version.
Model 36 discontinued in 1998.

Model 21 3 front locking lugs designed for the 223Rem new stock design called the “Varmint Extreme” Latter part of 1993 first 25 had a brass inlay in the bolt handle stamped with “VE” and some were stamped with “CC”

Model 22 Introduced in 1994

Model38 singleshot Introduced in 1994

Model 40 Introduced in 1995 3 mid locking lug 4-shot repeater designed around the 22 Hornet. Approx 75 produced and discontinued in 1996. Produced in the standard Classic stock with 10 produced in a Classic Varminter style (Essentially a Varmint Extreme with ebony tip) all were repeaters.

1995 Dan Cooper left the company and returned in 1998.

During that time about 250 Anschutz barrelled actions were stocked and shipped by Cooper.

New Company Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc
In 1998 Dan Cooper returned and Dan along with many of the former Cooper employees regrouped and began production of the original designs under a new Company called “Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc”
Pre formation of the new company in 1998 Cooper rifles bare the barrel stamp “Cooper Firearms” and from the formation of the new company they bare the barrel stamp “Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc”

The “varminter” model 21 & 22 were introduced in 1998 still with 1/2” guarantee and at half the cost.

Model 57 “version-1” produced in very limited numbers (50) in 1999
Model 57-M introduced in 2001

Model 7 Peregrine Custom Sporter

Model 16 – introduced approx. early 2003 3 front locking lugs singleshot for the 223, 243 & 25 WSSM No longer listed on the Cooper website as of early 2006.

Model 38 available in 17MachIV, 20 Vartarg, 221 Fireball in early 2006

Model 16 reappeared on the Cooper website in Oct 2007, Now chambered in 223, 243, &25 WSSM, 22 & 6 PPC, 22 & 6 BR.

Model 52 repeater late 2007, 25/06, 30/06 270 & 280. 3 Front locking lug bolt action with 3 round magazine.

Model 16 no longer on the website mid 2008

Model 54 introduced Oct 2010, 3 front locking lug action, 3 round magazine, 308, 7-08, 250 Sav, 260 Rem, 243 & 22/250

Model 56 introduced May 2011, 3 front locking lugs,

Model 38 no longer listed as available in 17 Fireball, 221 Fireball or 20 Vartarg on the website in September 2011.

Model 51 introduced late 2014.

From information on Saubier
Barrels
Lilja
Shilen
McMillan
McGowan
Wilson
Only the very early...
... Varminters had anything but Wilson barrels. Prior to the Varminter coming out, Lilja and Shilen supplied barrels for Coopers


Serial numbers
I've had two early model 21's
A105 bought as an action, brass inlay with "CC" stamped on the inlay 5th model 21 produced in 223Rem
EL3 221 Fireball, 3rd left hand 221 Fireball built Varmint Extreme shipped from Cooper 8/8/1994

A = 223 Rem
E = 221Fireball
F = 17 Rem
G = 17Mk4
K = 17HeeBee
L = 17 Ackley Hornet
R = 22 Hornet

Can anyone add to the list?

I am unsure but think that following the formation of the new company in 1998 the letter "V" may have been added to the serial number, can anyone confirm that?

Dan Cooper told me the letter designation was used until mid year 2005 when the caliber designation was eliminate and they went to straight sequential numbers.

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Old 10-21-2020, 01:03 AM
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Adding to Kiwishooter's List
A = 223 Rem
B = 222 Rem
C = 6x47
D = 6x45
E = 221Fireball
F = 17 Rem
G = 17Mk4
K = 17HeeBee
L = 17 Ackley Hornet
M= 22 PPC
N= 222 Rem Mag
R = 22 Hornet
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Old 10-21-2020, 07:43 AM
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Adding to Kiwishooter's List
A = 223 Rem
B = 222 Rem
C = 6x47
D = 6x45
E = 221Fireball
F = 17 Rem
G = 17Mk4
K = 17HeeBee
L = 17 Ackley Hornet
M= 22 PPC
N= 222 Rem Mag
R = 22 Hornet
Thanks Kerry, it would be good if we could complete the list.

I will add
U = 243W?? can someone confirm that? ..…..Kiwi

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Old 10-21-2020, 07:52 PM
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Kiwi and Kerry,

Thanks for the history lesson on the Cooper Rifles I dearly love. The only thing I may disagree with is that only 75 Model 40's were produced. If so I've been very lucky to own 2 of them over the years. The first one was NIB and sported the serial number VEGAS5. I believe it was most likely a shot show gun. It was so darn pretty I couldn't shoot it and ended up selling it online to a guy that wanted it a heck of a lot more then I did. When I spoke to this gentleman he stated he owned 2 other Model 40's as well. I still have the one Model 40 and I believe it to be exhibition grade wood. It's gorgeous. I will look at my letter designations tonight to see if there are any discrepancies or if I can add to the history here. Also, one other thing....Kerry and I have discussed this and I missed out on one and it still makes me sick. Early on with the Model 57 or 57M the Jackson Squirrel had different checkering. I had one in my hands chambered in 17 Mach 2 and thought at $2,000 it was too high. I still kick myself in the butt for that. The first 50 rifles had much better checkering on them. There was a story about it on Rimfire Central some time back.
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Old 10-21-2020, 11:25 PM
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Anybody own any stainless action Coopers? A buddy and I visited Cooper in the early to mid 90's while trout fishing the Bitterroot. At that time Dan had facilities in Stevensville and Victor Mt. While touring the Victor facility, I noted a machinist working on what appeared to be a stainless Model 21 action. I asked Dan if he planned on offering a stainless action and his only reply was "I know I should not have showed you this area". I am not aware of a stainless action ever being offered. Guessing maybe a few prototypes. I asked Tom Thomas(The Outdoorsman) if he was aware of any stainless actions and all I got was a sly smile. Even after a few beers in the Longbranch Saloon in Victor, Dan was mum on the subject of stainless actions.
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Old 10-22-2020, 03:08 PM
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Look near the bottom of the left column - stainless receiver is a $150 option. It does not appear to available in all models though, no idea why.
I was thinking of having a model 21 built with a stainless receiver about 5 years ago and they offered to do it, some things at Cooper have changed in the last few years and they may not offer "one-ofs" any longer.

http://cooperfirearms.com/our-rifles/custom-options

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Old 10-22-2020, 05:25 PM
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I don't know if this stainless or not? I think it looks good
Guns International #: 101081903

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Old 10-22-2020, 08:13 PM
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Kerry,
Good to see your posts. That is an interesting look on the Hornet.
I doubt that it is stainless though, the test target is from 2001 and to the best of my recollection they weren't thinking of stainless actions at that time. But then as you know with Cooper anything is possible. I suspect that it is a cerakote or something similar.

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