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Old 01-07-2012, 08:19 PM
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Guys, is there such a wildcat that i can simply run 223 brass into a 17 rem sizing die and go? Im tryin to come up with a practical way to make some ammo.Thanks in advance-Mike.
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:46 PM
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Yes, it's a 17 practical/17-223. Necking down to a .17 will take a couple of bushings but is a pretty easy process and one heck of a .17

Just got my .20 Practical and am thinking hard about a .17 Practical also.

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Old 12-05-2018, 02:12 AM
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I think guys under estimate what it takes to reduce from 22 to 17 Cal. I've never been able to take it down in one pass, usually shoves the neck down into the case. Thinking about it, 3 passes and neck turn.

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Old 12-05-2018, 03:05 AM
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I think if all you are going to do is run 223 Rem into a 17 Rem die you are going to end up with a 17 Rem that is a little shorter than a standard 17 Rem and has a thicker neck. Or, am I missing something? Maybe you are planning to run a 223 Rem into a 223 Rem die with a 17 caliber bushing to end up with a 17/223?
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Old 12-05-2018, 11:17 AM
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It's simple, but not that simple. What I found that worked for me, was, first run .223 brass into a .223 die no stem, then run it through a Calhoon .19-.223 die no stem, then run it into a .17-.223 die with stem. Of course use a good lube like Imperial sizing wax.
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Old 12-05-2018, 11:25 AM
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do you own a 17 rem and wanting to make ammo for it from .223 cases?

or are you wanting a wildcat based off .223 cases in 17 caliber?

if the latter there is the .17 practical like mentioned above. not 100% certain but based off the first response it sounds like its the same process as the 20 practical only necked down further.

The easy route here is to buy a .223 Remington bushing die (redding type s for example) then buy a series of bushing to neck down to 17 cal. (bullberry also sells double ended dies that goes to 17 in 2 steps that could save a little money versus 3-5 bushings but the end result may not be as good)

One thing to consider here is what twist rate to run. with a case of this size it would shine with 25-30gr bullets which would be best with a 9 twist. but if you wanted to zing lightweights for some crazy reason go slower twist or you could lose bullets before they make it to the target.
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:08 PM
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When going from 224 to 172, I believe if you reduce about 0.020" per pass you will have fair luck. Then of course, inside ream or outside turn is probably required.

There are specialty dies built to reduce diameters/shoulder push back out there, usually by benchrest guys that do a nice job for the wildcatter. With a more simplistic mod such as the 17/223 one would think that the ots bushing dies with say three spaced bushings would be just fine...........just one opinion there...........

One day a guy handed me a set of form dies for he said...........17/223. The RCBS box(40038) says form set for 223 to 17Rem...........has two reducing dies, one neck reamer die, and #17 straight chucking reamer. Never used them, but this has my curiosity perked up a little. Guess always had factory 17 Remington brass handy; odd what you accumulate over the years............

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Old 12-06-2018, 02:49 AM
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Lightbulb Or......you could try "old school"

First....run the case into a 223 FL die, WITHOUT the neck expanding button.

Second......very carefully, run the case into a 17-223 bullet seating die(without the seating stem). Multiple short sizing strokes, and slight polishing of the die, helps.

Third......run the case through the standard 17-223 FL die.

Results may vary......depending on age/hardness of brass.

Hope this helps.

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Old 12-06-2018, 05:57 AM
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had a 17/223 in 1982 to 1988, was an eyeball shooter. it consistently shot .25 groups with hornady 25 gr hp which was about all they had back then.
as to forming from .223 get a bullberry double ended die (45.00), one end is 17 and the other is 20 cal. once you have reduced the neck run it thru the seater die with the plug pulled and then the full length sizer.

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Old 12-06-2018, 12:42 PM
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I think I have one of the die sets from Shadetree Engineering. You can form a bunch with those. Never used it though.

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