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Old 10-04-2020, 02:19 PM
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WW brass, 12.6 grains Lil'Gun, Fed Small Pistol Primer and a 40 grain Vmax or Blitzking. Most of the guns do about 3100 fps with the load. Out of a few dozen rifles I have never seen a gun that would not shoot it into under an inch, many will shoot it into the .1 and .2s. You can't get enough powder in a 22 Hornet case to get pressure issues. I have shot tens of thousands of rounds of this load shooting gophers. Even at over 100 F I never saw any pressure issues. I have no idea what the guys that are reporting pressure spike are doing to get them.

I have seen over pressure loads using this powder in the 221 FB shooting 40 grain Vmax, SR primers, but that case has a lot more capacity and the loads were approaching 16.5 grains. I have also seen over hot loads in the 17 HH and the Hodgdon published loads are too hot for any of my 17 HH. I have found 9.6 grains lots hot enough in the 17 HH with 20 grain bullets. and SR primers. All in however I have never seen wild spikes in pressure, only predictable increases as powder is added.
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Old 10-04-2020, 02:58 PM
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I don't recall any problems with LG in the regular Hornet but you can certainly get into questionable territory with the K-Hornet. I have actually had to reduce my load almost one grain when loading for the K-Hornet with everything else being the same.
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Old 10-04-2020, 03:10 PM
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Tried LG in my Hornets, and found it very erratic, especially in colder weather, with wide swings in SD when chronographing to do load development. Never got pressure spikes. Don't use it any more for the Hornets, but really like it for heavy loads in 45 Colt.
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Old 10-04-2020, 03:44 PM
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Here's some MP300 data from my rifle:
40 Hornady V-Max 11.5 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2770
40 Hornady V-Max 11.7 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2786
40 Hornady V-Max 11.9 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2789
40 Hornady V-Max 12.1 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2842
40 Hornady V-Max 12.3 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2898
40 Nosler Varmiged 12.3 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2863
40 Nosler Varmiged 12.3 MP-300 Fed 100 R-P 1.760" 2926
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Old 10-04-2020, 04:16 PM
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Just before I found my Hornet rifle, I was at the range shooting other things, when a fellow showed up with a Savage M40. He was shooting LG under a 40gr. Vmax, and after a bit, he asked if we could help him unlock his rifle. It had locked up to a faretheewell, and nothing we had with us could move the bolt. He claimed the charge was 12.5gr. of Lil Gun, but I don't recall which primer he was using. In any event, he had to pack up and head home because he couldn't get the bolt open.
I file stuff like that away in my head, because learning from others' mishaps is smarter than having your own mishaps. I use 1680 in my Hornets, which is handy because I can use it in both .22 and .17 Hornets, so far without any mishaps.
I just don't trust the stuff (LG) because of that guy's problems. Hodgdon DID have a recall on Lil Gun a good long time ago, maybe that fellow had the bad batch, I don't know. I am happy enough without any mishaps.
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Old 10-04-2020, 04:49 PM
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There are several old threads on this topic. The 22 Hornet casing is the limiting factor, not the powder charge for a max load. Look at the pressures generated in the manuals, the max load of LG is less than the starting loads of several other powders. If you use RP casings, loads with 14-14.2 grains are possible. I'm sure Darryl will chime in on this thread, I believe he loads his the same way I do. The 25-20 is another great candidate for LG.

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Old 10-04-2020, 04:51 PM
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Tried LG in my Hornets, and found it very erratic, especially in colder weather, with wide swings in SD when chronographing to do load development. Never got pressure spikes. Don't use it any more for the Hornets, but really like it for heavy loads in 45 Colt.
The hornets are prone to wide SD swings with all powders though faster powders show it sooner. Some guys put a light crimp on their bullets, some of us use the pistol primers, some do both. A light crimp or the SP primers will dramatically reduce SD by ensuring the bullet does not start to leave the case prematurely. The SP primer is recommended in the Sierra loading manual for just that reason. Also, since the pressure is low enough that a pistol primer has no issues I can't fathom how you lock up a 22 H using Lil'Gun.

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Old 10-04-2020, 05:09 PM
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Three of the rifles I'm shooting are rimfire based a Kimber 82 the Ruger 77/22 and a Savage 40. Before Lil'Gun I use to use H110/296. The Kimber couldn't use listed maximum loads with H110/296, it would quit extracting. And the other two will also stop extracting if they dont like the pressures. The Kimber first Savage next and Ruger last. They all shoot 13.1 grains of Lil'Gun in Winchester cases with CCI 400 primers and the Hornady 45 Hornet bullet. My broken shell extractor also doesn't get any where near the use anymore.
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Old 10-04-2020, 05:20 PM
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In 2007 (one source is the 2007 Hodgdon Annual) I updated my 22 Hornet powder reference. Five sources listed Lil'Gun with the 45 grain bullet. Hodgdons 2007 annual at 13.0, Hornady #7 manual at 11.7, Nosler #5 at 12.5, the Sierra #5 manual at 8.9 (thats not a typo) and Speer #14 at 13.0. Speer recommended there CCI 500 small pistol primers at this time. Pretty good variance. The previous time I did this the Speer #11 manual is the latest reference source, Lil'Gun was still in the future.

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Old 10-04-2020, 05:27 PM
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my canister say's 300 mp, i'm guessing it's the same powder.
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