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Has anyone used the 50 grain Vmax in a 221 Fireball?
I went groundhog hunting this am and I had some erratic results with the 50 grain Remington factory ammo I was using. I shot three groundhogs and only anchored one. The other two made it to their holes. The first was about 100 yards and I hit him in the head neck junction. He went down and by the time I got the hole he was down in the ground looking back at me. I was 12 feet away. He was looking at me with blood around his face. I shot 3 more times as he slowly moved or was pushed back by the impact. It looked like it wasn’t doing much too him.
The second one was along a fence row maybe 20 feet way. He was sitting up and I put it right on his shoulder. He jumped in his hole and I saw nothing to indicate a hit. I know I hit him, but I thought he should have been done that close. The third was about 100 yards and I hit him quartering away through the shoulder. It went down and stayed right there. The bullet made a dime sized entrance and never exited. What are your experiences and what do you think? Here is a pic of the one we recovered: |
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Chucks and Furballs
218, good to see you out there with your son; good dad.
In both my Furballs, I've settled on both the Nosler 40gr BT and their 40gr Varmegeddon. Both shoot at or under 1/4", my Cooper M38 does a bit better than my CZ 527. Over RL-7, it's a smile on my face every time, and no chuck has escaped a hit from either bullet (yet). For comparison, two chucks taken with the Cooper Phoenix, both shot at just over 200 yards in a rock pile: And the "terminal performance shot" showing the expansion both bullets have on head shots: I'd suggest going to a 40gr bullet in the FB, get more velocity, less chance for crawl-off's.
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I don't know what velocity you are getting but the ghogs I have shot with my 221 have all been pretty dead. 40 or 50 vmax it didn't seem to matter. I know I killed 1 @ 380 yds but not sure if it was with a 40 or 50gr vmax
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My son had fun too. It's hard to keep him on task at times. He sees a butterfly and then wants to chase after it. Lol. |
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My chronograph averaged them at 2996 fps, if I remember correctly.
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no ground hogs in this old desert but i will relate a 221 fb failure. don't shoot the 40 gr sierra hp's. they will not expand for a clean kill. they will punch a pencil sized hole all the way thru a jack rabbit. i would use 40 balistictips or 40 vmax pushed by a stiff load of aa1680, you can get 3600 fps from them. if they expand on our jack rabbits they will expand on g-hogs.
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I have had similar results to those from Rick in Oregon, but my use is for PD's not rock chucks. My Cooper M21 and CZ527 in 221FB prefer 40gr VMAX or NBT and sometimes 40gr or 45gr Hornet specific bullets from Hornady or Sierra. They both also like RL-7 or AA-2200 for powders. I think you need a more explosive bullets, and the higher velocities of the 40gr bullets give you that better terminal effects.
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221 fb
I also have had good results in my 221 fb with 40 grain BT, VMAX and BK.
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