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Old 08-24-2009, 02:11 PM
Oleman Oleman is offline
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In the last eight years I've shot BR I have seen one 22PPC and no 20PPC in competition. They will not be competitive in the wind. If you're really interested in competing get a gun for BR and don't waste your barrel life popping bunnies. Every thing in real short range BR is geared to the 6PPC. I've seen a couple 6BR's that have worked well for their shooters. For very good shooters that is but every uncommon caliber I've seen have never been competitive in the real sense. Look at the results of the big matches and you'll see what I'm talking about if you want to see it. You have some very good shooters on this forum and just like in benchrest let the people with experience and shooting ability be your mentors. You will know who they are by listening and watching them shoot.

Once you've shot the BR life out of a barrel you can use it on varmints and for fire forming. But then again it's your money.
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:43 PM
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Chevy, I'm the last person to be taking BR advice from! I never made it to the line at 100 and 200!!! After a divorce I had lots of time on my hands and was invited to a 300m fly shoot at club level, then went to a 500m Fly and a 1000yd BR and had a BAT actioned Shehane stocked 6.5x284 built. i'm not good at it ( best result 19th out of 40 at a state title match) but its fun and I know the equipment is not the weak link!

I didnt think I would be good enough at short range BR and wanted a dual purpose just like you. The weight of advice was that a dual purpose rifle wont be best at either job and if you have a competitive streak, once you learn a bit about reading the wind and ammo making to BR match standards you will get disheartened by your non competitive (ie not good enough to get into the top places) BR rifle. After digesting that for some time I agreed and paid for on order a stiller diamondback drop port action and all the go fast bits for a 6ppc.

Met my second wife while waiting for the bits and soon realised I wouldnt have the time on my hands that I thought (we have eight kids between us) and the 6ppc never got put together.

Only relevance of this story to you is that I was trying to do what you want to do, build a dual purpose rifle. I'm sometimes a bit pig headed, you know, ask for opinions but then do it my own way anyway, but the weight of opinion was so strong on this that I gave in. If you want to be competitve at sr br, (100 and 200) it has to be a 6 ppc and made as a dedicated br rifle.

Then you can be purchase mentored on here by the experts on your BAT actioned dedicated varmint rig.

I just got my 11th rifle yesterday!!!!
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:13 AM
Alycidon Alycidon is offline
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I use a 6PPC and a 20BR, both for pest control work, principally foxes. Ihave never shot a BR comp but occasionally take part in a casual bang in a field with friends.

I think you should build the rifle based around what it will MAINLY be used for. My 20BR is built more towards a target bias with a heavy stock and long heavy barrel, at over 14lbs plus scope when I am walking after foxes with a lamp at night it stays at home and I take PPC. It is though beautifully accurate as it was set up to principally be, not had it long but foxes to over 250 yards have felt its wrath so far.

I looked at 20 Vartarg very closely when I did the BR, it is best suited to a lightweight carry rifle for pest work but will do reasonable duty on the range to maybe 300 yards but wont be competitive with specialised heavyweight bench guns.

6PPC is a really good fox stopper when teamed with the 65gr VMax at about 3300fps, it is in a McClassic stock with a Shilen No5 tube so far from a target set up but it shoots paper OK for what is really a sporter set up.

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Old 08-26-2009, 12:30 PM
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chevy,

My first love is varmint shooting. I built a long range rig 6AI. My gunsmith got me to come to 1000yd Benchrest match. I hit my frist clay at 1000yds and was hooked. Next was 600 yd Bemchrest, and I have done very well so far. ( lots more shooting in 600 than 1000). All my guns are set up for long range Benchshooting 17 lb limit, but are varmint gun also.

I would look into set the gun up for benchrest limits with a weight system for the 2 weights. I Like Bat and Stiller actions, get the boltface for BR/PPC so you can shoot 6BR cases and PPC with that bolt, most come that way now. Then add a 222 boltface bolt to the gun. then the gun can be set up for that ever you want to shoot.

If you get the benchrest bug, you will be set to go and will not need another gun

I am adding a bolt to my Bat and a Stiller Diamondback, for a 20 VT and 20 Tac.

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Old 08-26-2009, 03:04 PM
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Thanks for the information and direction guys - greatly appreciated
All the best to you and your families.
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:58 PM
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I used a Remington classic in 221 Fireball and converted it to 20 VT. Absolute joy to shoot.
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:14 AM
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To be competitive in the BR game I am told that 6PPC has the edge up to 300 yards and 6BR over that out to maybe 600 but I see guys shooting paper with good results at 1000 yards.

I believe you need to be with one of these calibers.

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