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Old 03-24-2019, 08:22 PM
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thats why we in the U.S. have a constitutional REPUBLIC. democracy is NOT for us. democracy is just a stepping stone on the way to socialism.
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Old 03-24-2019, 10:27 PM
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What changes are they proposing? What would you like to see change?

Aaron
I would actually like to see changes that would actually help prevent this from happening again, but I don't see the proposed changes as actually achieving that.

Here in NZ we had various licence categories

"A" able to own bolt, lever, pump, semis. Centrefire semis were restricted to a mag capacity of 7 rounds. You are vetted, two friends and spouse or next of kin interviewed etc to obtain licence

"B" very restrictive for pistol/handgun ownership had to be a member of a club and participate in 12 comps a year, highly vetted and also club has to approve of your suitability.

"C" Collector highly vetted and unable to use/shoot certain firearms in his possession.

"D" Dealers license

"E" able to own MSSA's highly vetted and has to have increased security. Safe has to be constructed of a minimum of 6mm steel.

"F" Dealers assistant.

Full write up on NZ firearms laws can be viewed here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

One loophole in our laws which had been pointed out to police a long time ago was that magazines for E cat (MSSA) firearms were not restricted and anyone could buy them...…..this to me seems ridiculous.


How did this scum manage to get a firearms license?
That question needs to be answered to be able to see if any changes could have prevented this from happening.


One of the changes that would have helped prevent this from happening is to restrict the sale of high capacity magazines.

Reclassify all semi auto firearms with detachable magazines as "E" category with a process similar to "B" cat to attain ownership of these firearms. This would put in place several checks to help prevent unsuitable people attaining ownership of this category of firearm.

I do believe that semi auto/MSSA firearms should still be legally owned by lawful firearms owners, but the just cause to own them should be verified and substantiated with checks on compliance, similar to pistol/handgun.

In actual fact you will never prevent what happened from happening, because humanity is what it is, without human interaction an inanimate object will do nothing.

We do not have a 2nd amendment right to own firearms, so while we have the right to apply for a firearms license we have to be approved for this before we have the ability to own firearms. I do not have a problem with this process.

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Old 03-24-2019, 11:33 PM
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We did the magazine restriction thing from 1994-2004. During that time no more magazines could be manufactured if they were over 10 rounds. Didnt change anything except drive up the price. The problem with they way they did it was there were already tons of them on the market. Unless they go door to door and confiscate them it won't change anything.

You certainly have an interesting view point. One which I do not agree with.


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Old 03-25-2019, 12:08 AM
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So which category did the shooter fit to own the weapon/s?
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:19 AM
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... ... while we have the right to apply for a firearms license we have to be approved for this before we have the ability to own firearms. I do not have a problem with this process
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There is a distinct difference between a right and a privilege. What you refer to here, being able to apply for a firearms license, falls into the privilege category IMO. All it would take to bring an end to that would be a simple act by your guv'mint and that privilege would disappear.

Over here, I firmly believe that if and when the guv'mint succeeds in removing the Second Amendment, they will have a revolt on their hands. They can mess with a lot of other rights and privileges, but messing with gun owners' rights is not something to be toyed around with.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:27 AM
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Over here, I firmly believe that if and when the guv'mint succeeds in removing the Second Amendment, they will have a revolt on their hands. They can mess with a lot of other rights and privileges, but messing with gun owners' rights is not something to be toyed around with.[/quote]

Believe you are 100% correct on that one.

As for the comments re: NZ. Sounds like they use the wording as the USA does on drivers lic in that it is a privilege and not a right to have or obtain one.
I would not like to see something like that in the US, as we all know how our corrupt politicians would handle that one. Bill K
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:14 AM
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New Zealand is now banning the murders manifesto, people with copies told to destroy them or be punished. First goes your gun rights, then your free speech, and what your allowed to see and read. This feels like 1930s Germany. This should be a warning to Americans, with the wrong leadership we are one tragedy from losing the second and first amendment. Scary stuff. Anyone that says it's not possible is mistaken. NY severely restricted guns after sandy hook and it wasn't even in our state. Laws passed without due process, rammed through in the middle of the night by our DICtator Cuomo. Death by a thousand cuts to every legal gun owner. Cant get him out of office because the city out numbers us in voting out the democrats.
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:02 AM
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We did the magazine restriction thing from 1994-2004. During that time no more magazines could be manufactured if they were over 10 rounds. Didnt change anything except drive up the price. The problem with they way they did it was there were already tons of them on the market. Unless they go door to door and confiscate them it won't change anything.

You certainly have an interesting view point. One which I do not agree with.


Aaron

You are correct the same as banning semi autos wont fix the problem. When our defence force can loose a number of 30 round mags for the Steyrs it shows that there will always be high capacity magazines available.


But the idea is to give up as little restrictions as possible to make the none understanding public feel safer and further restrict the licensed firearm owner as possible.

If we had the "right" to own firearms my view would be different


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So which category did the shooter fit to own the weapon/s?
"A" category, by fitting high capacity magazines to his A category firearm he turned it into an E category firearm.
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Old 03-26-2019, 04:05 AM
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Kiwi:

It's a bit late to be wishing for such changes as you
mention.

They should have been DONE 100years ago!

No one can properly define what "an assault weapon is".

I've got a house full of guns, the only assault weapon i've
ever had are the lumps on the ends of my arms!

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Old 03-26-2019, 01:33 PM
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NZvarminter:
Sent a email asking about where to mail a donation and if it could be in a MO form and US dollars. Maybe others would like to know in what manner to help. I do not do Paypal, which the site did show. Bill K
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