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Jeff,
Your analogy on powder consumption may work, but in volume shooting, 10 to 25 grains of extra powder no matter the accuracy is WAY too much heat and recoil if you want to see your shots in the scope. But, as said, if one is happy with the performance when things go "bang" then it is the right combination for the shooter!! Bill
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Tout...about smokeless powder to shoot
Toot...about white powder to shoot up ya nose
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Volume shooting means different things to everyone. If being a purist and only shooting small cartridges to save powder and to keep barrel heat in check all day is your thing, good for you.
For me, extra powder means I'm shooting something that will reach out further, hit harder, and it will likely generate more barrel heat. Barrel heat is why I never go pd shooting with just one rifle. And in a worst case scenario, the possibility of shooting a barrel out because of too much powder and heat is why they put threads on a barrel. All that said, I do change out rifles when sitting in one location and shooting, and I work hard to not overheat a specific barrel. If I'm walking, it's usually done with a rifle/cartridge combination that is easy on barrels if I get into some heavy shooting. Proper preparation, and so on........ On the other hand, until you've seen a pd unzipped by Speer 87 grain TNT HP bullets in a 25-06, you've never seen unzipping at its finest. And it is observable through the scope, at least with my Remington 700 Sendero it is. The barrel on it has lasted for over 10 years of pd shooting - 2 to 3 times a year. If it craters tomorrow, c'est la vie......... It has a barrel with threads on it........... -BCB
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I would vote for the 17 remington or a 17/223 for most things. Feeds from a magazine, has speed, and brass is not that hard to find or make.
The 17 remington can do what the smaller ones can do in most cases; speed wise. Volume shooting is different in different parts of the country. some of us can only dream about such. I have no need to worry about powder consumption, to do it at all, is the goal here. Does all of that preclude my "need" for other 17 wildcats?..........well............no. I have a little time with the 25-06 as well, the 75 gr hollow point and some appropriate powder makes stuff jump around, misty mostly. Good and fast, potent, and all of that stuff. A fine cartridge it is. Working on having one of everything now..........a ways to go yet...... |
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My thoughts were meant as to for example 17HH vs 17 Remington. Is one better than the other, well depends on what your going to do with it or expect of it. One can load the 17 Remington down, but you can only go so far with the 17HH. One of the above post mentioned somthing about almost equal speeds with the same bullet in the smaller case. Where are we with pressures? One uses a small dose of slow burning pistol powder or fast burning rifle powder, depending how you look at it. The other uses or can use a medium burn rate rifle powder. Are folks seeing anything different in throat life, with sensible use? BCB, point taken. Buddy has a 6mm Remington AI it is about 15 years old, sees limited use. I think it has about 8k through it, but not all full tilt crazy loads. It is just now showing signs of needing a tune up. |
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I have both and would have trouble deciding this even after having used them. My suggestion would be to go with the Fireball if you specifically wanted a more compact rifle/action, otherwise go for the 17 Remington that will do all that the Fireball does and more, as Bayou City Boy states. Barring that, take whichever you get the first good deal on a rifle or components, or maybe just roll the dice on the choice. Realize that this is probably one of those situations where no matter which you choose, you will likely wonder if the other was the better way to go.
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