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And the 100 FPS, average, increase in velocity, is in the eye of the beholder, if they want it. It just depends on what you want and like. Some like the improved case, some don't bother with it. I have both, but do like and enjoy the improved shoulder design on more than one rifle I have, in various calibers. [/quote] Billk 100% correct. |
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And the 100 FPS, average, increase in velocity, is in the eye of the beholder, if they want it. It just depends on what you want and like. Some like the improved case, some don't bother with it. I have both, but do like and enjoy the improved shoulder design on more than one rifle I have, in various calibers. [/quote] I agree to a point and but I just haven't ever noticed a lot of difference in the amount of trimming required with any of my wildcat cartridges that have 35° and 40° shoulders versus those with 30° and shallower angles. I can say this with certainty though, since switching over to using the Little Crow WFT2 trimmer on everything it's made trimming cases a much more pleasurable and way faster. |
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Both shoot very well and cases are relatively easy to make. Headspace is at the same spot as the 222 Rem. Case is trimmed a little and the first shot blows the shoulder out slightly. I hesitate to call it fire forming since the change to the case is fairly slight. It is a fine and very accurate cartridge but doesn't seem to be the second coming... I didn't bring it up since it (or maybe its developer) seems to generate so much controversy.
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Disappointing that..
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Ok. I'll chime in. I don't come in here often and just found this thread. I have built several 20 Extreme and love 'em, planning another on a Sako L461 action I have in the cupboard. I have given a couple to friends, one of which shoots a ton of coyotes annually (50 - 80) on his ranch. He has set aside all of his other varmint rifles to exclusively use his 20 Extreme. Forming isn't a big deal, run thru the die and trim to 1.575", no fire forming so quick and easy. I know Laverne rubbed a few the wrong way on here and was easily baited into a confrontation, but he did know his stuff. I will forever miss him. He was a wealth of knowledge. Talking with him about a load was like working with QuickLoad - he could figure loads in his head. It was amazing to see him work through a load and in most cases be as close as QuickLoad for results. I have several of his wildcats in my gun room - the 20 Extreme likely being one of the best.
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Thanks for that Grey Wolf. On my first 20 build, I was offered the use of a 20 Extreme reamer but ended up ordering a 20-223 AI from Manson. I'm still "Extreme curious" though.
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You're welcome. The 20 Extreme was my first 20 caliber build. I didn't see the need to try any others. As someone else said - I don't know if you can really go wrong with any of them. All have their benefits, all have their shortcomings. Laverne also experimented with a 20-223 but was in declining health the last couple of years and didn't pursue it too far. It was simply a necked down 223 case, no other alteration. He did get it going but I think felt the 20 Extreme was better.
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Agreed. I'm not sure why the 20 Practical doesn't get more attention. It is pretty straight forward to produce and use. Reasonable quality brass is, well, usually free if you check the range bin.
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I only went 20-222 because I already had a 20-250 and wanted something smaller with quality brass and would easily feed/extract through the Rem 700 223 action I was using. Had I not already had a 20-250 I would have had a 20 Practical built instead. Which version of 20 cal is best is kind of like that other thread about what makes the perfect varmint rifle. Thankfully, we have lots and lots of different options so what's "best" or is "perfect" is mostly dependent on what the likes and dislikes are of the individual. Hell, ask me what I think is best or perfect, today, will likely not be the same answer I give six months from now. Last edited by B23; 08-01-2022 at 09:53 PM. |
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