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Adam you should be ashamed....
I hope no one gets hurt trying to push a 20VT to 3800fps with a 40 grain bullet.
Maybe you have done it somehow with a mixture of hybrid powders or some other magical bs,but I really hope others here don't try it.Perhaps you are trying to be the new Zing Pow on Saubier.Its not even April first. Matt
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I'm with DAA on this one as well as Adam, though I think 3800 with a 40 in a 20 vt is pushing it. the coyote doesn't know what the caliber on the barrel is marked, speed is speed.
having shot a lot of coyotes with a 17 Remington and 30 gr Berger's , many a follow up shot was administered to keep the tracking to a minimum. would shoot a coyote in the boiler room and he would go into get well whirls, spinning and biting at the bullet wound just before he would straighten out and exit at Mach 1 speed. placing a quick follow up shot in the middle of a whirl always did the job. it's all about bullet placement with the small calibers.
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This thread is sorta widening out from is a .20VT a good choice for coyotes to some serious safety issues, always appropriate IMO.
My .20 Tactical and Match chambered .204 both are running as hot as I'm comfortable with as well as at their accuracy sweet spot just "under" 3,900FPS, the .204 with the 39 grain BlitzKing and the .20 Tac with the 40 V-Max. Both would be great coyote killers as far as I can shoot, if fur wasn't a consideration and I just wanted dead coyotes. The load I run with 32 grainers in the two both rifles ended up about 4,150ish FPS, above that case life goes to heck. My .20 VarTarg's load is a 32 grain V-Max at about 3,780ish FPS and that's as hard as I intend to lean on it. With all due respect, when I see the little .20 VT mentioned as running 4198FPS I start thinking white canes, guide dogs and selling pencils on street corners ! With the incredible accuracy the .20-VT gives me using the 32 grain V-Max at just under 3,800FPS I'd be comfortable going after coyotes with it to 300ish yards or maybe a little better. As a coyote popper it fills a niche nicely but in general the .17Tac with 30 grain Berger's if I care about fur and the .20 Tac/.204 with 40 grainers if I don't are what I'd grab if I were headed out this afternoon. Good thread .
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Doug's right, this thread is OT.
If you think that a 20VT isn't capable of 3800 with a 40gr bullet, you're entitled to that opinion. I on the other hand as well as several of my customers, friends, and acquaintances, know first hand that it's not only capable but safe. This isn't something new, it's all in the AA2200 with a Lapua case or reformed case. 17VLD, why should I be ashamed at the truth. I am sure you're a smart man but publically calling me a liar on something that you clearly have no idea what you're spouting off about doesn't portray that. So, sir with all due respect to a stranger please keep you opinions to yourself on topics you're ignorant about. For those that are interested in specifics please PM me and I'll help you out. Adam Quote:
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Adam, with all due respect I gotta tell ya that 17VLD was shooting sub .22 calibers of all kinds many years before you first showed up on this site asking all kinda questions and green as as a pea.
As you say, everyone gets his own opinion but implying 17VLD is ignorant of all the things this thread has branched out to shows ignorance all right and certainly not his. Everyone having an opinion is a given and a good one but safety issues are probably the most important thing we discuss on this site. With the .221 case having a SAAMI max pressure of 52,000PSI I'd sure like to see some tests run on some of the loads and velocities some hand out like cookie recipes just cause they have gotten away with em..."so far". They just don't all come together safely! At a point, some a this stuff becomes physics and opinions go out the window. As they put in the manual at Western Powders, "Velocity itself is a pressure sign", sometimes an over-pressure sign! Safety is the most important aspect of every thread that gets posted here.
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65k psi according to QL.
Doug, completely understand where you're coming from, this isn't something I've pulled from my ass. The last 8yrs I've been saying the same thing, AA2200 3800 ect. But when you directly target me and say that the truth isn't, that's something else. The psi developed for the 221 was working with the powders at the time. We have powders today that make the 30-06 into a light magnum. So to stay under the umbrella of the old ways is fine, but it's just not so anymore. This was at one time this the premier sight for powder/ case development, but when you directly oppose proven data it's a wonder people openly post here. Adam |
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