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Old 08-26-2019, 11:24 PM
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Default 6.5 Creedmoor, semi auto, accurate. Pick any 2?

Or can all 3 be attained? And possibly, under oh, say, $2,000 US?

I have never owned an AR10 (or an AR15, for that matter, I'm weird and get by with my old Sterling AR180). Now that numerous rifle makers are offering (allegedly accurate) 6.5mm CM semi auto rifles I am mildly interested. But not in 7.62 or 5.56mm.

I know, 6.5mm is on the high end for a small caliber discussion board. And I probably ought to just buy it in another bolt gun if I wish to play with loading for accuracy. But members here ARE accuracy driven so I thought I'd ask here before polling any of the "tacticool" places.

Potential uses: Informal target shooting and load development for fun. Just because it tickles my fancy. Accosting more than 1 coyote in a 500 yard wide soybean field at a session. Deer, in that same field. That pesky groundhog who lives under explosives magazine #5-1, is telepathic and skates every time I get within 300 yards of him on a calm day with the .221 Fireball.

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Old 08-27-2019, 12:23 AM
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From what I see and the cost of 6.5 CM brass goes for and the way AR's sling it, if you are using it in the field and not at a range and if you have lot's of money to buy brass, I would say go with a good bolt rifle. Just a thought. Bill K
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Old 08-27-2019, 01:47 AM
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It all depends upon how you define accuracy. If it is 1" then easy and not as expensive ($1500-$2000). If you want sub 0.5" then more expensive ($2500). But, if you want 0.25" then +$3k. All of above is just price of rifle, and doesn't include the optics or mount. If you want a very accurate AR10 then it will cost you.

Other than needing capability of rapid follow-up shots or just because you want one, a bolt gun is typically more accurate than an AR, because bolt gun has tighter tolerances and less moving parts.

You can build a custom rifle for same price as AR10...or visa versa.

Bolt Gun AR10 (1") AR10 (<.05")
Receiver $1250 $350 $550
Bolt Carrier - $125 $300
Hand Rail - $200 $400
Barrel $450 $400 $900
Gas Block & Tube - $70 $140
Trigger $250 $125 $200
Control Group - $75 $150
Stock $750 $50 $150
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Gunsmith $500 $0 $0
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Old 08-27-2019, 02:42 AM
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From what I see and the cost of 6.5 CM brass goes for and the way AR's sling it, if you are using it in the field and not at a range and if you have lot's of money to buy brass, I would say go with a good bolt rifle. Just a thought. Bill K
It is a good thought. I reload for 6.5X55 Swede and 6.5-284 NORMA bolt guns, ALSO I reload for and like to run an M1 Garand- I know the desirability of bringing my empties home... Blue tarps are laid out by my 100 and 200 yard firing points at "Garand O'Clock". Most of my shooting IS on a range on our property. A relatively few additional shots are taken at critters

I have over 1,000 1X fired Hornady .308 match brass (some local police force/SWAT guys used Hornady GM .308 to practice, passed the empties on to me for "beer money"), plus at least that much other 1X boxer primed, mostly LC. It is said not to be hard to neck down .308 to 6.5 CM, though I have not tried it yet.

Haven't talked me out of this madness yet. Keep trying...
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Old 08-27-2019, 03:49 AM
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It all depends upon how you define accuracy. If it is 1" then easy and not as expensive ($1500-$2000). If you want sub 0.5" then more expensive ($2500). But, if you want 0.25" then +$3k. All of above is just price of rifle, and doesn't include the optics or mount.
I would consider a rifle regularly capable of sub 1" to 1/2" @ 100 yards to be sufficient. 1" + @ 100 yards would be a bit loose for 300 to 500 yard varmints.

I extended our range to 300 yards last year and can easily get a firing point at 400 yards, the 500 yard firing point is going to require a bit more work (and possibly the noise would PO a couple of neighbors if used regularly, even with a suppressor).
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:10 AM
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I would consider a rifle regularly capable of sub 1" to 1/2" @ 100 yards to be sufficient. 1" + @ 100 yards would be a bit loose for 300 to 500 yard varmints.

I extended our range to 300 yards last year and can easily get a firing point at 400 yards, the 500 yard firing point is going to require a bit more work (and possibly the noise would PO a couple of neighbors if used regularly, even with a suppressor).
If it is about the perfect shot and complete confidence in the rifle then Bolt Gun. I like AR15/AR10 for shooting fast (adult's version of Ruger 10/22). Good for shooting competitions, hog hunting, and high volume coyotes. Oh yeah, I find it hard to form an intimate relationship with a black rifle so I don't care if they get banged up as long as performance isn't impacted. Shooting in mud or rain or riding around on ATV...black rifle ...no tears.

One other option to consider instead of 6.5 Creedmore is a 6.5 Grendel. The Grendel cartridge is made to chamber in AR15, which is less expensive than AR10, and it was designed for competition shooting out to 800 yards and bullet heavy enough for hunting anything smaller than moose/elk..

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Old 08-27-2019, 04:16 AM
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One other suggestion that will keep the price down is going with a 6.5 Grendel, which uses an AR15 and is accurate out to 800 yards.
6.5 grendel ammo is hens teeth around here, I OCCASIONALLY see some at Fleet Farm, or at redaculous prices @ big box sporting goods stores. 6.5CM is plentiful in several brands and projectile weights, seems to be much more popular around here.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:41 AM
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In a AR10 platform I would look at the Seekins SP10 6.5 CM

I'm mostly a bolt gun guy but after seeing how well a friends Seekins SP10 6.5 Creed shot, I bought one for myself. I have a couple Seekins AR's now, they make very high quality stuff.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:47 AM
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6.5 grendel ammo is hens teeth around here, I OCCASIONALLY see some at Fleet Farm, or at redaculous prices @ big box sporting goods stores. 6.5CM is plentiful in several brands and projectile weights, seems to be much more popular around here.
The Grendel had a slow to take off in popularity thanks to Alexander Arms putting a strangle hold on licensing and copy right...proprietary BS. In past few years I have started consistently finding it on shelf of most sports stores. It usually cost $5 less per box than 6.5 Creedmore. If hard to find locally then just order ammo online and they'll deliver to your door.
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Old 08-27-2019, 12:47 PM
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Or can all 3 be attained? And possibly, under oh, say, $2,000 US?
Although not a 6.5, consistent accuracy out of a semi auto for your price range is easily doable.
I reload 22 Nosler for 2 uppers, a Ballistic Advantage 8 twist barrel for heavier bullets and a WOA 12 twist for lighter bullets. The last picture is the BA barrel set up for evening varmint duty.
All 5 shot groups at 100 yards.



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