Saubier.com  



Go Back   Saubier.com > Saubier.com Forums > Small Caliber Discussion Board

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 10-26-2018, 08:37 PM
varmintshooter varmintshooter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 220
Default

Kerry, you are correct, I just checked Todds Sensational Seventeens and on page 43 is the picture of the 3 bolts 21, 38 and old 38 in 17AH. The 2 38's are both shorter than the 21. The article was written by Alex Clarke.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-26-2018, 09:08 PM
jimreed1948 jimreed1948 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 84
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TinMan View Post
I agree with varmintshooter, but didn't want to walk downstairs to go measure. My M21 is from 1998 and my M38 is from 2001. Sometime after 2001, I believe the M38 had some changes made in the bolt also (lug length/size, I think). That may have been about that same time that some calibers were dropped from the M38 and were only made available in the M21.
Quote:
Originally Posted by varmintshooter View Post
The 21 and 38 are not the same. I just measured my 21 and my 38 to confirm what I already knew, the action on a 38 is 1" shorter than the action of a 21

That's interesting to hear. When I spoke with her this morning she told me they were the same but only the calibers were different. After she told me this, I looked through the available calibers and saw none of the calibers crossed over from the 21 to the 38.

I don't know, I was just stating what they told me today.

Last edited by jimreed1948; 10-26-2018 at 11:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-26-2018, 09:29 PM
fat cat fat cat is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 900
Default Cooper

I want a Cooper Jackson squirrel rifle so bad I can't stand it! My wife said NO!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-27-2018, 01:41 PM
jdunham jdunham is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 461
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fat cat View Post
I want a Cooper Jackson squirrel rifle so bad I can't stand it! My wife said NO!!!!!!
Ask again, lol. I have one in .22lr and it is everything you think it is. I have been very pleased with all of my Coopers.
__________________
NRA Life Member
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-28-2018, 11:25 AM
fat cat fat cat is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 900
Default Cooper

I want the JSR in 22 Magnum. Wife said sell some guns then you can get one . But thst ain't going to happen
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-28-2018, 01:52 PM
ken158 ken158 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 511
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimreed1948 View Post
That's interesting to hear. When I spoke with her this morning she told me they were the same but only the calibers were different. After she told me this, I looked through the available calibers and saw none of the calibers crossed over from the 21 to the 38.

I don't know, I was just stating what they told me today.
The calibers are different because the 38 adapts better to smaller case calibers. The 21 is definitely a longer action. I had a 38 in 20VT and upgraded to a 21 for that reason.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 10-28-2018, 05:49 PM
Rick in Oregon Rick in Oregon is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: High Desert of Central Oregon
Posts: 1,144
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fat cat View Post
I want a Cooper Jackson squirrel rifle so bad I can't stand it! My wife said NO!!!!!!
Go get your Cooper on order now!

It's always easier to get forgiveness than permission (didn't you learn that in "guy-school"? )

I've only got four Coopers (221FB, 20VT, 204R, 223), and all of them shoot under .3" @ 100yd with my handloads. These rifles have the best reputation for accuracy than any other factory offering that I'm aware of. They all outshoot my Kimber 84M Varmint in 204R.

You know you want it, and Christmas is just around the corner........
__________________
Rick in Oregon - The East Side, where common sense still prevails.
NRA Life, OHA, VHA, Vietnam Veterans of America

Last edited by Rick in Oregon; 10-28-2018 at 05:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10-28-2018, 11:42 PM
Alex Alex is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tidewater, Virginia
Posts: 1,699
Default Model 38 bolt.

I have several larger gauges than 17AH in M38 actions. They all have the same problem, which is that they have major trouble ejecting an unfired VMax round.

This was primarily due to Dan Cooper being too hard headed to change the full back opening on the M38s a very small amount. I complained about it and Dan Pickett said he thought it would take a 2x4 several strokes to have him do it. Rob Behr would make the change for you if you sent it back.

The reason they deleted the larger than 17AH/HH rifles in the M38 lines was having to make some of those rifles in both actions, a major money problem for a small manufacturer the size of Cooper.

Bottom line, I would not buy a M38 in the larger calibers like the 20VT. I have several , but have had them modified.

Alex
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 10-29-2018, 01:15 AM
jdunham jdunham is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 461
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fat cat View Post
I want the JSR in 22 Magnum. Wife said sell some guns then you can get one . But thst ain't going to happen
I really want another in 17 Mach II. I have come close a couple times to buying one. There was one in particular that I repeatedly kick myself for passing on. Live and learn I guess, lol!
__________________
NRA Life Member
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 10-30-2018, 11:16 PM
Danny Danny is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 659
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick in Oregon View Post
Go get your Cooper on order now!

It's always easier to get forgiveness than permission (didn't you learn that in "guy-school"? )

I've only got four Coopers (221FB, 20VT, 204R, 223), and all of them shoot under .3" @ 100yd with my handloads. These rifles have the best reputation for accuracy than any other factory offering that I'm aware of. They all outshoot my Kimber 84M Varmint in 204R.

You know you want it, and Christmas is just around the corner........
Rick,
How many of yours are Model 38 actions? I really want another Model 38.

Danny
__________________
Danny

**************************************************
GOLF sucks.
https://splinternews.com/ban-golf-1819443510


3x9 Scope
A three power scope that has a 9mm objective lens.


Is there a drug that can be administered to American Shooters to cure
TACTICAL DISEASE? Particulary troublesome are the proliferation of these ugly bolt knobs and scope rails.

ILLEGAL ALIEN, not "Undocumented Immigrant"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.