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dungheap, I responded to your PM.
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I did a web archive search and came up with this which was October 2014
https://web.archive.org/web/20141006...es/96-model-38 If I go much latter when I click on "our rifles" the model 38 is not listed like in Feb 2016 https://web.archive.org/web/20160204...com/our-rifles Back in 2008 the list was longer and included the "Fireball" based cartridges https://web.archive.org/web/20080723...rifles_new.php The list of cartridges then were Model 38 17 Squirrel 17 Ackley Hornet 17 He Bee 17 Fireball 20 VarTarg 221 Fireball 22 Hornet 22 K-Hornet 22 Squirrel 218 Bee 218 Mashburn Bee Take a look at back in 2004 https://web.archive.org/web/20040211...m/actions.html And in November 1999 https://web.archive.org/web/19991110...com/custom.htm https://web.archive.org/web/19991021...rfirearms.com/ Interesting reading I see the model 52 was introduced in the latter part of 2007 and the Jackson Varminter was introduced in early 2008. Wonder what year my Jackson Varminter in 17 HeBee is Who bought a 25th anniversary model back in 2015 https://web.archive.org/web/20150206...ews-and-events If anyone wants a electronic copy of the 2008 catalogue send me an email ian6ppc at gmail com ………...Kiwi Last edited by Kiwishooter; 10-17-2020 at 04:54 AM. |
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Thanks Kiwishooter. That is exactly the kind of info I wanted.
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I currently only have one model 38 rifle left. Its a MT Varminter in 218 Mashburn Bee.
I have owned a couple of others over the years, but in single shot Cooper rifles I prefer the slightly larger but considerably stronger Model 21 single shot actions. It still makes for a very petite and small single shot rifle compared to what is available other places. Back in the day, Dan Cooper had reservations about the strength of the Model 38 action and what people were trying to do with them in terms of cartridge conversions. Many people wanted to try to cram a relatively larger/higher pressure small caliber cartridge into the extremely small action designed for much lesser cartridges. Dan wasn't very politically astute possibly, , but the man was a pretty good firearms designer, and he knew the limits of what he had his name on. Here's a nice one from some very good folks if anyone is interested....... https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101531549 And another one......... Interesting comment about its birth. https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...t-action-rifle -BCB
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BCB, if I remember right, at one time Cooper also recalled the Model 38 to have their bolts reworked/replaced with stronger bolt lugs, if so desired.
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It was designed originally for Hornet-sized cartridge cases but some of the resulting offspring were a bit oversized. -BCB
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I miss mean Tweets, competence, and $1.79 per gallon gasoline. Yo no creo en santos que orinan. Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and just get used to the idea. Going keyboard postal over something that you read on the internet is like seeing a pile of dog crap on the sidewalk and choosing to step in it rather than stepping around it. If You're Afraid To Offend, You Can't Be Honest - Thomas Paine |
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TinMan and Bayou City Boy,
Which cartridges were people trying to use in the 38 in which it would not handle? |
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The 221FB and those cartridges whose parent case is the 221FB. If my memory is correct, Cooper enlarged the Model 38 bolt lugs to the size of the Model 21 lugs when they started chambering the Model 38 for these higher pressure cartridges.
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I have heard this mentioned many times on this website. When I bought my Model 38 in 20 VT I called Cooper to inquire about it. I was talking with one of their gunsmiths and asked him if they stopped producing it in the Fireball cartridges because the action could not handle it. He said, "No" it had to do with the fact that they did not sell many of them and those cartridges could easily be chambered in the Model 21. According to him it did not make sense to carry an extra action for it. He said there were about 30 rifles chambered in the Model 38 with the Fireball class of cartridges. He recommended I hold onto it. I would be interested to see where this rumor started. |
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