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Old 03-21-2018, 01:31 AM
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Also with FFP's, reticle subtensions of .1 MOA are too darned small for me, can't see them below about 12x power. .125 MOA works great for me.

If it was .1 MOA and illuminated I'd be OK with it, black it gets lost in the background below 12x. I hardly ever shoot above 16x.
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:28 AM
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My preferred scopes are 10X Lyman all Americans. 2nd choice is 4.5 to 14 Leupold. I find that any power over 12X is useless in mid day mirage.
Bob
Hi Bob,

Where do you have the All Americans from? I looked and they are listed as “vintage”, also seem to be very well liked. Sounds interesting, tell more.
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:19 AM
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NeilA. Saw your post on obtaining a Swaro Z5 3.5-18x44. Happy you took the recommendation. I know it's a little more money, but I truly believe you will be very happy with that scope. I have several of them on medium range 20's. I use the Z5 5-25x52 on the longer stuff like the 20 PPC and 20 BR. All have the BRX reticle. Good Shooting! 410gauge
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:36 AM
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Shucks Neil, here we've all felt we were providing LOT'S of
GREAT HELP!!

Man's just gotta have at least a couple dozen rifles, at least half those
have to be varmint rifles.
Especially for you guys with the bucks to play with. Me, I'm broke all
the time and still have 5 under .223. More coin tied up than 4x's what I
paid for my house. (at first, not what it's worth now though)

Oh well, at least we've been trying to be helpful.

Take care and enjoy, take 'em shootin!!
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Old 03-21-2018, 04:31 PM
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I bought most of my Lyman AA scopes new in the late 1960s and early 70s, but have picked up a couple on ebay. I really like them and wish there were more fixed power scopes available. I also have a couple of Leupold 10X sniper scopes, and they are great except for the price! Optics and coatings have improved, but since I am shooting in daylight The coatings would not make any difference in brightness. I understand that Bausch & Lomb made the lens for Lyman. Anyway, they are still excellent.

Bob
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:45 PM
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Best pd scope I have used so far is the Sightron s-tac 4-20x50 with the moa reticle. Great glass,good turrets used this last summer on a three day trip on a 223. The 4-16 may be a better option for 200 yard and under shots, the .25 moa dot makes seeing hits on pd easy. Should be able to find these new for about 400+-. Lifetime warranty.
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Old 03-22-2018, 07:05 AM
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I love my Weaver V16's. I put a "cheap" Cabela's Covanent ffp 6x24 with moa markings on my LRPV in .204, and had a hit over 1/4 mile away. I took a few shots out to 600 but was unable to master the swirling Wyoming winds, missing by inches. I ended up buying 2 more when they had employee pricing for around $250. For shooting mass quantities I really like to be able to use the hash marks for doping wind and elevation with out touching the scope. It's obviously not as good of glass as my Burris Black Diamond but for a 5-600 yard gun it performs very well. IF I only had 2-3 guns they would have better glass, but I don't have 2-3 guns
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Old 03-23-2018, 05:50 PM
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For a cheap scope that has one of the best holdover reticles around regardless of price, the Athlon Talos BTR 4-14x44 is impossible to beat. It's FFP as well so subtensions remain correct on any magnification.

It has good glass and you can literally """see""" 1 click in the reticle because all the hashes are .2 mil. One click is .36" at 100Y and the reticle thickness is .04 mil or smaller than a PD's eye is at 100Y.

Keep going up in price with Athlon scopes and it only gets better, ending at the Cronus BTR 4.5-29x56. Now you have a long range scope with superb glass, actually almost S&B glass, and a reticle with .03 mil thick or on the moa version .14 moa thick.

I've used my S&B 5-25's with the H59 reticle with fantastic success, holding over only, on PD's and other varmints, as far I could make hit's. Out of most peoples budget but what a great all around scope!
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Old 03-24-2018, 05:07 AM
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I get lost among the weeds with all those hash marks on a glass.

It just takes practice to learn how to hit 'em way out there.
I get the medium hair, or 4 plex and used to shoot over 1000
a month at p/dogs until about 2010.

Start on the closer one's to get the range sorted out, then slip behind 'em
and start knocking those out. Closer one's get the idea you're not shooting
at them so they'll stay up feeding a lot of times. Unless they've been worked
over quite a bit before.

Here's a trick I learned by doing: with a 2" high @ 100yds zero. Hitting at
400yds, hold a height high will nail 'em with a .223 55gr,
IF 10mph breeze, "a height upwind" will get 'em just about everytime.

More wind, or further out, just move a touch more til you nail one, then bust
some more. It gets to be real amazing how far you?? Well "I have hit 'em".
What's slick is when others are watching and can't believe it's possible to hit
'em that far out. Then when they try, they can't do it even with coaching,
even more fun is when I could do it with their gun too, but, they couldn't do it
with either mine, nor their own. Makes my day when I do that and can see their
frustration. After a few misses when I was hitting everytime,
they usually just put things up and call it quits.
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Old 03-24-2018, 02:09 PM
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I can only speak of the lines in the Covenant, but they are fine enough that they don't block a pup, the size of a 16oz water bottle. When I first mounted it I could put a hash mark on a steel fence post 600+ yds away. They are a little busy, but with a dope sheet in hand for whatever your shooting, they are simple to use. I makes shooting in the wind MUCH more productive. I have been looking at the Leupold windplex CDS where all you need to dial is distance and use the moa marks for wind.
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