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There are one or two guys who post regularly on the Cooper subforum whose hair bursts into flames at the mention of anything negative about Cooper rifles. However, over time, the picture that has emerged about Cooper M57M (the rimfire) accuracy has been mixed, as I mentioned earlier. If there's been a consensus it would be, I think, that, in general, Cooper M57M accuracy is not quite up to Anschutz accuracy. This was part of my motivation for starting this thread--to find out how owners have found the accuracy of their centerfire Cooper rifles. Last edited by South Pender; 10-12-2017 at 08:45 PM. |
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BCB and all, maybe some more info on Wilson, anecdotal as it is. Back in the early 90's, maybe '92, I got interested in ARs and built up two A2 style models from parts kits. One was a 20" HBAR and the other was a 16"heavy barreled carbine like a XM177. I built both with AR Wilson barrels, both were 1:9 twist. Both shoot fine for iron sighted rifles. Shortly thereafter, Wilson barrels were no longer available to my dealer, as Wilson's production of military barrels was sold out. However, they still made their regular' match' barrels for bolt action rifles.
In mid '94, I saw that Winchester was offering a M70 Heavy Varmint Stainless Steel rifle in 223 Rem with a 1:9 twist. When I inquired, I was told that that model and caliber used a Wilson Match grade barrel. I believe Wilson also made some of the barrels for that rifle in 243 Win. Both those rifles shoot very well, <0.5 MOA. |
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South Pender, FWIW, almost all of my time on RFC was in the CZ section.
Anschutz RF? Have never shot one but would really, really, REALLY like to. How do they compare to a Cooper RF? I have no clue but would love to hear from those who do. |
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Well I'm going to answer your question about my Cooper M57. It's a fluted barrel LVT 22LR. It has the varmint type stock and a medium HB. I don't shot it a lot because it's boring shooting one hole at 65 yards over and over. It will do this with 4 types of ammo but the best is Lapua Midas+ then Lapua Center-X.
I really wish that I shot competition because it just don't get any better. Like I said, it gets boring. I bought it because of the test target, just one hole nearly un-measureable. It didn't disappoint. And the only time it has fliers with Lapua Midas+, it's me without a doubt. Maybe I just got lucky, but it is one awesome rimfire. Btw, if the wind's not blowing, it will shoot sub 1/2 moa at 100 yards. I have shot ragged 1hole 5 shot groups a 100 before. It's a sweetheart. Jim D SE Texas
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There are a couple of factors to consider. First, the Anschutz rifles built on their match 54 action are the best--better than the Annies made on the less-expensive 64 action. They are now making sporters, silhouette models, all-out 3-P and prone target rifles, and even all-out BR rifles on that action. This is a rimfire action that Bill Calfee rates highly. Among factory target rifles, their stiffest competition, among Olympic-class shooters, would come from Walther and several other European makers like Bleiker and Grünig & Elmiger. Among factory sporters and target models, the older Walther KKM, KKJ, and KKMS rifles were in the same class as the better Annies. (Walther no longer make rimfire sporters.) I have a Walther KKMS that will shoot right alongside my Annies. BRNO and its successor CZ have made excellent rimfire sporters, but the consensus is that their accuracy potential--again on average--is slightly below that of Anschutz. Second, as with centerfire rifles, most shooters wanting the best possible accuracy in a rimfire rifle will go to a custom barrel--again from the usual suspects, Krieger, Benchmark, Lilja, Shilen, Bartlein, Hart. Lilja barrels are particularly well-liked by rimfire accuracy enthusiasts. This doesn't necessarily mean, however, that just any Lilja barrel will beat a factory rimfire barrel. A number of years ago, I set out to build a super-accurate rifle on a Sako P94S action and replaced the factory heavy barrel with a heavy Lilja, which my gunsmith chambered with the Win. 52D match chamber. The results were really not significantly better than what I'd got with the Sako factory barrel, and so, on my gunsmith's advice, I had him pull the Lilja barrel, set the original Sako barrel back an inch and rechamber it with the same Win. 52D chamber. He also fit a Jewell trigger to it. After that, it really did shoot up to my initial hopes, averaging about .30" over many 5-shot groups at 50 yards with the ammo it liked best (Lapus Midas+). I don't know whether there's much interest in rimfire on this forum, but I might mention that this Sako P94S is currently in my gunsmith's hands in a custom project. I've had him octagon the barrel, fashion custom scope mounts, make a bottom-metal unit with hinged floorplate (a modification of a Ted Blackburn unit made for the Win. 52), and do additional metalwork on it. I'll have the stocker, who is also an engraver, engrave a squirrel on the floorplate. For anyone interested, here are a couple of pics of the work in progress: It will be stocked from the Exhibition-grade English walnut blank in the pic below: I realize that I've taken this thread way off-topic, and, to those who are offended, I apologize. Last edited by South Pender; 10-14-2017 at 11:34 PM. |
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I own four coopers, 1 20vt, 2 20tac,s and 1 204 ,, all model 21's and love them. as had been said before, I wish they would use a 100yds for their targets. I think that it is a little tight to say we make such a great product that we are going to send a target along, opps, it's only 47 yards but what the heck it's the best we can do
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Pictures. If there is one thing we all agree on around here, we love pictures! Be sure and show us that rifle when it is done.
As to the CF question, I simply can't imagine that you would be unhappy with a bone stock Cooper rifle from an accuracy standpoint. Give one a try! |
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My good friend Larry owns these two Coopers, top one is a Western Classic in .17 HMR and the bottom a .20 VarTarg. In shooting alongside him I can assure you that accuracy is not a problem for either of them in any way! The only thing I'd worry about if they were mine is that I'd find a way to damage the beautiful things somehow !!
I have to say too that I did have a Cooper .17 MachIV that was in that 1999 to 2000 period when someone at Cooper goofed up in the new .17 MachIV reamer they ordered to replace the older one they dropped and broke. A number of guys that bought rifles then had issues with em including me. What I learned about Cooper through that period is that they actually honor that 1/2 inch accuracy guarantee in a way that sure impressed the heck outta me! It was a pain sending the rifle back and forth but they were trying so hard I never complained and they replaced barrels, kept at it, and all with a smile till I was shooting the sub half inch groups they promised. I don't know how a guy could ask for better service then that. Cooper gets a big thumbs up from me!
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Sounds as though Cooper customer service is pretty good. For me, living in Canada, however, any return to Cooper for a new barrel would take a long time for me to get it back; getting guns across the border each way is quite a hassle. It's the ITAR regime. You need dealers on both sides of the border working together with the right import/export licenses, and the wait time is considerable. I ordered a Dakota Varminter several weeks ago, and, working with the import/export guys, I won't actually see it here in Canada for another 2-3 months. There is a big-time Cooper dealer in Canada (I think he has something like 80-100 in stock, and I believe he's the only Cooper dealer in the country), but he has to work with his US FFL person to bring them in, and it's slow. It was this Canadian dealer through whom I arranged to have the Dakota imported.
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