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Old 07-25-2012, 05:56 PM
Kerry Kerry is offline
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Default 20 VARTARG vs 222

Getting a new cooper real soon, will use it for prairie dogs but will also be using it for some informal competition at 100 & 200 yds for score so i want the best for shooting paper the wind will always be blowing some. the ?? is will the 222 with say 52 gr bullets be affected less than the 20 vt with 32, 35, 39? any help will be appreciated

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p.s. I already own a 20 vartarg but i know some of you have more than one gun of the same caliber so i could to
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:02 PM
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Default .222

The 222 is hard to beat, the other day I was looking around on the internet and saw a site that made the claim that the 222 has a world record that has never been broken. I think the availability quality bullets is with the .222. Just my opinion. This weekend there is 788 in .222 coming up for sale I might have to look at that one?
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:19 PM
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I believe you can get better ballistics from a .204 over a .222.

Bullet availability shows that many of the .204 bullets have a higher BC and you can push them faster, thus making them less susceptible to drop, wind, etc.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:20 PM
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Considering the velocities one can get out of the 20VT compared to the .222, personally I'd opt for the 20VT. If you are shooting in a stiff cross wind, both are going to be affected some, but the difference sounds like good ol' hairgeschpilitten to me. JMO.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:20 PM
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Ballistics favor 20 VT. Better wind performance, etc.
Good bullets available for the 20 VT.
More (and probably better) match-grade bullets available for the 222.
Commercial ammo available for the 222 in a pinch.
For benchrest for score, the 222 makes a bigger hole and will score higher. That's why the 30BR is favored for serious competition.

My first CF rifle is a 222, and it now has a Hart barrel. I shot the first "zero" I ever shot with it. But the 20 VT always goes with me when I'm out after woodchucks.

Don't expect to make a rational decision. Go with your gut.

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Old 07-26-2012, 01:36 PM
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Default 20 v 22

I agree with most said here, high BC 20 cal. bullets are hard to beat. sgtg
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:19 PM
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Kerry,
Split the difference and get the 221 Fireball with the 1/12 twist!
The 221 Fireball has always been a standard for me. You need one, too! Couse a CZ in the fireball would be just fine...Saving the Cooper for something else.
Let me know what you decide.
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Old 07-26-2012, 04:40 PM
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Kerry I know a lot of guys think ballistic program data is a waste of time, I'm not one of em. I think it makes great numbers comparisons for questions such as this.
Here is my actual load data output to 350 yards for my .20 VarTarg load and my .221 Fireball load. The .221 Fireball is loaded to higher pressures that the .222 and because of that is pretty much a ballistic twin of the .222 so IMO it's a good "rough numbers" comparison of the 2 rounds.
I see the .20VT at it's best with 32 grain V-Max's and if I had a .222 I'd hope like heck it did as well with the 40 V-Max as all my other .22 cals do. Personal opinion only but on varmints with the smaller .22's I like 40's, "others mileage may vary ".
Lastly, there is no bad choice here both are fantastic rounds. That said and again, personal opinion only "if I only got one it'd be the .20 VarTarg (Hey, I'm a small caliber guy ).
Let us know what ya decide!!

First my .20 VarTarg.

Load Data
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Name: .20 VarTarg with 32 V-Max's @ 3,780
Ballistic Coeff: 0.210
Bullet Weight: 32
Velocity: 3780
Target Distance: 225
Scope Height: 1.500
Temperature: 70
Altitude: 4500

Ballistic Data
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Range Elevation Velocity Energy ETA Drop Max Y 10mph Wind Deflect
0 yds -1.50 in 3780 fps 1015 fpe 0.000 sec 0.00 in -1.50 in 0.00 in
25 yds -0.57 in 3660 fps 952 fpe 0.020 sec 0.08 in -0.58 in 0.06 in
50 yds 0.19 in 3543 fps 892 fpe 0.041 sec 0.32 in -0.52 in 0.24 in
75 yds 0.79 in 3430 fps 836 fpe 0.062 sec 0.73 in -0.41 in 0.52 in
100 yds 1.20 in 3319 fps 783 fpe 0.085 sec 1.33 in -0.25 in 0.94 in
125 yds 1.40 in 3212 fps 733 fpe 0.108 sec 2.12 in -0.04 in 1.50 in
150 yds 1.40 in 3107 fps 686 fpe 0.132 sec 3.13 in 0.24 in 2.19 in
175 yds 1.18 in 3005 fps 641 fpe 0.156 sec 4.36 in 0.58 in 3.01 in
200 yds 0.72 in 2905 fps 599 fpe 0.181 sec 5.82 in 1.00 in 3.97 in
225 yds 0.00 in 2807 fps 560 fpe 0.208 sec 7.55 in 1.49 in 5.11 in
250 yds -1.00 in 2712 fps 522 fpe 0.235 sec 9.56 in 2.08 in 6.42 in
275 yds -2.30 in 2618 fps 487 fpe 0.263 sec 11.86 in 2.76 in 7.89 in
300 yds -3.90 in 2527 fps 454 fpe 0.292 sec 14.47 in 3.55 in 9.52 in
325 yds -5.84 in 2437 fps 422 fpe 0.322 sec 17.41 in 4.45 in 11.32 in
350 yds -8.15 in 2349 fps 392 fpe 0.354 sec 20.73 in 5.48 in 13.34 in

Second, my actual .221 load data which according to most .222 data I see is a fairly stout Triple Duce load.

Load Data
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Name: Default Load: .221 Fireball
Ballistic Coeff: 0.200
Bullet Weight: 40
Velocity: 3550
Target Distance: 220
Scope Height: 1.500
Temperature: 70
Altitude: 4500

Ballistic Data
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Range Elevation Velocity Energy ETA Drop Max Y 10mph Wind Deflect
0 yds -1.50 in 3550 fps 1119 fpe 0.000 sec 0.00 in -1.50 in 0.00 in
25 yds -0.49 in 3436 fps 1049 fpe 0.021 sec 0.09 in -0.58 in 0.05 in
50 yds 0.34 in 3326 fps 982 fpe 0.044 sec 0.36 in -0.51 in 0.24 in
75 yds 0.97 in 3218 fps 920 fpe 0.067 sec 0.83 in -0.38 in 0.56 in
100 yds 1.39 in 3113 fps 861 fpe 0.090 sec 1.51 in -0.20 in 1.02 in
125 yds 1.59 in 3011 fps 805 fpe 0.115 sec 2.41 in 0.04 in 1.60 in
150 yds 1.55 in 2911 fps 752 fpe 0.140 sec 3.55 in 0.35 in 2.33 in
175 yds 1.25 in 2813 fps 703 fpe 0.166 sec 4.94 in 0.74 in 3.23 in
200 yds 0.67 in 2717 fps 656 fpe 0.193 sec 6.62 in 1.22 in 4.30 in
225 yds -0.20 in 2624 fps 611 fpe 0.222 sec 8.59 in 1.79 in 5.54 in
250 yds -1.37 in 2532 fps 569 fpe 0.251 sec 10.87 in 2.45 in 6.93 in
275 yds -2.88 in 2442 fps 530 fpe 0.281 sec 13.48 in 3.23 in 8.50 in
300 yds -4.76 in 2354 fps 492 fpe 0.312 sec 16.45 in 4.13 in 10.28 in
325 yds -7.05 in 2268 fps 457 fpe 0.344 sec 19.84 in 5.17 in 12.29 in
350 yds -9.77 in 2183 fps 423 fpe 0.378 sec 23.66 in 6.36 in 14.53 in

Personally I don't try to turn the .20 VarTarg into a .20 Tactical any more than I would try to load the .222 up to be a .22-250, just not how I do things so for me those are both reasonable, accurate and safe loads.
Keep us posted .

P.S.
The rifles are sighted in at 5 yards different points but I don't see that making much difference as this is just a "rough comparison". Hope that helps. One last suggestion is you could always buy both .
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Old 07-26-2012, 05:10 PM
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go 20-222 get the best of both!

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Old 07-27-2012, 01:58 AM
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Thanks for the replies. The winner is

20 VARTARG

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