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Old 10-28-2022, 09:15 PM
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Hello All,
Has anyone on the forum had experience using S&B (Selliot & Bellot) brass in the .22 Hornet? I am getting a K Hornet (Brno 465) and have a few packs of the 45 gn. Bullit version.
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Old 10-30-2022, 12:35 AM
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It's good brass. It's not RWS, but works fine. Just do a std prep and load it. I never fl size Hornet brass and I get good case life.
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Old 10-30-2022, 01:25 PM
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Agreed. Very good brass. I use a lot of it in a variety of cartridges. I too only neck size Hornet brass.
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Old 10-30-2022, 05:59 PM
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After the initial loading and firing of either of my Hornets, I adjusted the sizer die to only size 2/10" to 1/4" of the neck. for my CZ rifles, this allowed me to not have to lubricate them on the outside, but I still lubed the inside of the necks.
All my .22 hornet loads were crimped with a Lee collet crimper.
I got 14 shots out of them (R-P brass & no annealing) without a single brass failure, then converted them to .17AH brass and after 1 reload, THEN I had to anneal them for the first time (16 shots including a neck down).
IMHO, R-P Hornet brass is the very best brass for that cartridge.
I have no experience with other than WW make of brass. All other brass including WW has less capacity then RP brass.
R-P brass was also much more consistent in neck wall thickness than WW brass.
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Old 10-31-2022, 12:05 AM
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BEFORE I shot a .22H, I was worried about case life. Not anymore. I have never lost a case. I also don't try to make it into a .222.
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Old 10-31-2022, 07:37 AM
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After the initial loading and firing of either of my Hornets, I adjusted the sizer die to only size 2/10" to 1/4" of the neck. for my CZ rifles, this allowed me to not have to lubricate them on the outside, but I still lubed the inside of the necks.
All my .22 hornet loads were crimped with a Lee collet crimper.
I got 14 shots out of them (R-P brass & no annealing) without a single brass failure, then converted them to .17AH brass and after 1 reload, THEN I had to anneal them for the first time (16 shots including a neck down).
IMHO, R-P Hornet brass is the very best brass for that cartridge.
I have no experience with other than WW make of brass. All other brass including WW has less capacity then RP brass.
R-P brass was also much more consistent in neck wall thickness than WW brass.

Daryl, do you get better accuracy crimping the bullet in the Hornet? Kiwi
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Old 11-03-2022, 07:50 AM
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I have got some its a bit thicker than remmington brass and performed fine in my 17ah only downside for me was the flash holes were a bit smaller which caused the deprimer pin to get stuck a few times
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Old 11-08-2022, 06:38 PM
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Daryl, do you get better accuracy crimping the bullet in the Hornet? Kiwi
Yes, I did get better accuracy and SD's in the mid to high teens with crimping.
Non-crimped, the vel. spread over 10 shots was up to 150fps & sometimes over.
After crimping in the Lee tool, spreads were 30fps at the most.
In the .218Bee, the spreads were even lower with crimping, with SD's running 11 to 13fps.
The small capacity of the Hornet case exacerbates high spreads due likely to the primer pushing the bullet out of the case before ignition takes place. That is one theory I read. I don't know if this is fact, however, crimping the bullets would help hold them against the primer's pulse.
In my first CZ Hornet, small pistol primers were all that were necessary & actually gave better accuracy than rifle primers.
In my second CZ Hornet, there was no preference for pistol primers so I used rifle primers.
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Old 11-09-2022, 08:39 AM
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Yes, I did get better accuracy and SD's in the mid to high teens with crimping.
Non-crimped, the vel. spread over 10 shots was up to 150fps & sometimes over.
After crimping in the Lee tool, spreads were 30fps at the most.
In the .218Bee, the spreads were even lower with crimping, with SD's running 11 to 13fps.
The small capacity of the Hornet case exacerbates high spreads due likely to the primer pushing the bullet out of the case before ignition takes place. That is one theory I read. I don't know if this is fact, however, crimping the bullets would help hold them against the primer's pulse.
In my first CZ Hornet, small pistol primers were all that were necessary & actually gave better accuracy than rifle primers.
In my second CZ Hornet, there was no preference for pistol primers so I used rifle primers.

Thanks Daryl, I assume you use the Lee crimping die? Kiwi
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:22 AM
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Yes, indeed. The Lee "Factory" Crimper can be applied to any bullet, anywhere.
I started off with just a weak crimp, but went to a fairly heavy crimp and got even tighter SD's.
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