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Old 07-25-2022, 10:16 PM
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Default 20-222 vs 20 VTT VS 20 EXTREME

Looking for any input on this 20 caliber build,i have done several 20 vt and 20 practical and have many inquires about other 20 cal builds mostly because of brass availability for 20 vt,the 222 based 20 caliber intrigues me and would like to build one of these for customer requests.also what brass is the easiest to form
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Old 07-25-2022, 11:40 PM
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I've had my 20-222 for awhile now and it is just a little sweetheart of a cartridge.

I use Lapua 222 brass and neck it down in one step using Redding 222 type S bushing die and a Redding 222 Comp seater die. If I recall I'm using a .230 bushing but I'd have to look to be certain on that.

As you know the 20-222 is a straight neck down cartridge and is super simple to make with zero added steps. Mine is built on a blueprinted SA Rem700 and wears a Hart 11tw barrel. I've been shooting Berger 40 grainers using H322 lit by 205M's. My load is somewhat moderate and I could squeeze a little more velocity out of it but those 40gr Berger's are launching at 3650 and it stacks them in to one big hole so I've left it alone.

JGS reamer .235 NK and .0300 FB

There's a lot of "improved" variants of the 20-222 out there too. Kevin Weaver does a 20-222 improved with a Ackley 40 shoulder and it's a sexy looking little case but I didn't want yet another rifle I have to fireform for so I took the easy route and went straight 20-222.

As everyone knows, just about anything off of the 222 case feeds and extracts slick as snot through any small bolt face action which is a nice plus.
Lapua 222 brass is pretty easily obtained and you have to really abuse it hard before it loses primer pockets so 2-300 pieces will last a very longggg time. There's just not much to not like about the 20-222.
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Old 07-26-2022, 12:14 AM
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If I had not had a good deal on a barrel and some die/forming items for a 20VTT, I would have went with a straight 20-222 Rem.

Main difference between these two is the VTT has the should set back slightly and a 30 degree shoulder.
Easiest to form either with 222 Rem brass or make your own out of LC and forming dies. Bill K
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Old 07-26-2022, 01:35 AM
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The 20vt had been my main squirrel gun for several years but since I acquired a 20-222 IMP all of that has changed. It is now my favorite. Although the 20 vt still gets equal bench time in the field.
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Old 07-26-2022, 03:54 AM
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For your info.
https://tripledeuce.net/Cartridge_Comparisons_0SJN.php
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Old 07-26-2022, 11:50 AM
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Default 20-222

The 222 to me inspires visions of all that is pure and good in the shooting world.
It was what my first centerfire woodchuck rifle was chambered in and it has taken many varmints over time.To look at a Lapua 222 case just inspires a lot of good thoughts.I decided awhile back to build a dedicated pd rifle on a BAT SV
in 20 Duster with its 40 degree shoulder and turned necks.Its very difficult to pick a favorite rifle,but this one comes mighty close.I really enjoy setting up in dogtown with this rifle as its a pleasure to shoot all day with a bit more horsepower than the VT.The 40 VMax works very well in my rifle and tears up the dogs nicely.As I get older I enjoy neck turning and fire forming a little less each day.
If I was to build a repeating rifle for calling coyotes the 20-222 just sized down would be my choice for simplicity and less concern if I lost a case in the field.
So to answer the OPs question, its not which particular cartridge is best or fastest,but what case fulfills the old saying KISS.To me anything in 20 caliber built on a 222 case will make you smile.Keep it simple and get out and shoot more.
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Old 07-26-2022, 12:33 PM
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Default 222 vs 20-222 vs 20 extreme

Thanks for response on this from all,going on vacation for a week and i will have a few more questions and will pm you when back
thanks again
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Old 07-26-2022, 02:10 PM
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It's interesting (and likely telling) that no one has even mentioned the 20 Extreme yet.......
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Old 07-26-2022, 03:26 PM
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IMO, non of the 20 cals based off the 222 case are a bad choice. Some just require a little more work with regard to case prep than does others.

And, to muddy the water even further and make it a more difficult choice, aesthetically speaking, you sit a 20-222 next to the 20-222 with 40 shoulder, forget about it, the one with the 40 shoulder is just a hot looking little case and wins the beauty and cool factor contest all day long.
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Old 07-26-2022, 03:58 PM
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And, to muddy the water even further and make it a more difficult choice, aesthetically speaking, you sit a 20-222 next to the 20-222 with 40 shoulder, forget about it, the one with the 40 shoulder is just a hot looking little case and wins the beauty and cool factor contest all day long. [/quote]

With exception B23, that the improved shoulder does not need trimming as often as the standard, like most all improved cartridges do.
And the 100 FPS, average, increase in velocity, is in the eye of the beholder, if they want it.
It just depends on what you want and like. Some like the improved case, some don't bother with it.
I have both, but do like and enjoy the improved shoulder design on more than one rifle I have, in various calibers.
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