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20vt
Dad has had a couple of FBs over the years. Nice rifles. Fun to shoot. He presently has a Cooper in .17 FB, and it is very nice. But my Savage action, Shilen barrel 20VT beats his beautiful Cooper every time in every way - except looks. I mostly shoot Remington brass. Deburr, form in a single pass through a Redding 17 Mach IV body die, turn the necks, never do it again, and it shoots to my level of capability. I did buy some Nosler cases, but saw no difference in groups. Lot of guys on here are way more meticulous than me, and they wring out that extra .1 - .2 inches, but that VT is my favorite rifle. But if I could only have 1 rifle (heaven forbid) I'd go with my Kimber .223 - capable from gophers to mule deer and pretty to boot.
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Go with the VT. It constantly amazes me how well it kills!!! I use mine for coyotes with 40gr Berger's it's a stone cold killer!!!
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TeanCum1:
I feel you're right about the VT, have one myself. New Cooper M-38 I got from Philip in CA. Lovely rifle. Haven't shot it enough to know the gun yet, never at anything other than paper, or thru the chrongraph developing a load.
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the 20 vt, it solves all your problems
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I own both. I have considered selling my .221 a few times, my 20VT will never go anywhere.
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I have both also, Cooper classic m38 in 221fb and Cooper varminter m38 in 20vt. I feel like the 20vt is good for 75-100 yds more than the 221 for groundhogs. The 20vt is more accurate, and is better in the wind. I have a CZ 527 221fb I want to get threaded for a suppressor but really want to turn it into a 20vt. You really cant go wrong with either.
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Man I WISH it solved all my problems
shucks, I'd be tickled if it only helped half of them! Two .17 VR's, M2, VT, .223, then a truck load of bigger stuff.
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I have a couple of each in my Dakota assortment and have ended up being a 20 cal fan for sure, but the 221 FB would be my 2nd favorite. Using 1680 & 40 V-Max, I get 3600 out of mine with .2 accuracy. My 20 VT's with 2200 & 32's gets me up to a reliable 3750 with about the same accuracy, but they seem to shoot flatter than the charts say. My real 1st love these days are the 20-221FB AI & the 20-223AI - performance way past what you'd expect, but that wasn't the question.
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So the next question is on brass forming. Would I just run it through a .20VT die with out the expander and neck turn as needed, then anneal or is there more to it. I have read a few different methods and they seem to be all different. Hope to get the rifle sent out next week .
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