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perhaps you don't quite get the point or purpose of how redundant and useless the designation for .223 Remington and 5.56 actually is.
CIP makes no difference between the two calibers, in fact they only consider 5.56x45 to be the actual caliber and thus load .223 Remington to the same pressure levels. If a person buys an American made rifle with "only for .223 Remington" marked on the chamber, and uses large amounts of CIP .223 Remington, how can you say the rifle is NOT safe for 5.56x45? Ill make it easy peasy.... a guy buys a savage bolt action in .223 Remington. purchases and uses oh say 300 rounds of CIP .223 Remington made in Italy. Can you tell me the rifle is not safe with 5.56x45 ammo? |
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,223 or is it 5.56
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Just someone trying to stir the pot...................
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I'll make it easy peasy even for you. It's the pressures that neither SAAMI nor CIP anticipate or see that makes the difference for a shooter. Granted loads for each are all over the place in terms of pressure, but the rifle throating/lead length and angle can make a huge difference between what is safe in a 223 Rem labeled rifle and one labeled 5.56. Have fun........... I bet you're the life of most parties. -BCB
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Pocketshaver, read the main sentence in BCB's above post carefully.
The pressure generated by a given 5.56 round in a factory 5.56 chamber is not the same pressure that that same round will generate in a factory .223 chamber. The published pressure figures are based on a cartridge being in the chamber it was intended for. Put it in a different chamber and the known data is no longer applicable. Safe? Not? The answer would be, maybe & maybe. As others have said, do what you like. Just don't ask for opinions and belittle them. |
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AR companies have admitted to using the 5.56 chamber for guns marked as 5.56 and for those marked only as .223 Remington.
the SAAMi drawings for the official ".223 remington' chamber predate the use of fast twist barrels in .223 and as such are still set up for the original slow twist. IF the 5.56 can ONLY use the long bullets because of that throat, and .223 Remington comes with those nice long heavy bullets, and companies use those bullets for testing.. How is there even a difference? kind of like debating the merits of "rifle" and "handgun" load data for .357 magnum or .44 magnum... But I see no one wants to debate the CIP pressure standard versus American saami pressure limits. |
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Sometimes rationally debating with certain individuals is kin to pushing a log chain up a steep hill. -BCB
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I miss mean Tweets, competence, and $1.79 per gallon gasoline. Yo no creo en santos que orinan. Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and just get used to the idea. Going keyboard postal over something that you read on the internet is like seeing a pile of dog crap on the sidewalk and choosing to step in it rather than stepping around it. If You're Afraid To Offend, You Can't Be Honest - Thomas Paine Last edited by Bayou City Boy; 04-03-2018 at 04:41 AM. |
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A wise man once told me when I started loading...
"A loaded cartridge is a little tiny BOMB you put inside the chamber about 2 inches in front of your EYES. Don't do anything STUPID!" Let that sink in a bit... Maybe, maybe not... |
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,223 or is it 5.56
Or the old saying "If you argue with a fool, you only become a fool like them" Sometimes you just have to stop trying and just disregard trying to help or answer this type of person. Bill K
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