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[quote=Bayou City Boy;277749]I'm betting that after you wear the new barrel out, there will still be folks who will chamber another new 17 Rem barrel for ya'. And so on...........
I would say that would more than likely occur, as I feel the 17 Reminton is far from being a dead cartridge. It has a good place between the 17 fireball and stepping up to a 20 cal. Brass can be found from High Plains and also Diamond R I believe. It is formed down from 224/5.56 brass, so should work very well for those shooting them. Bill K |
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Down here in Southern Ontario canada I know of 3 people I have introduced to the .17 Rem that have fallen in love with it in the last year. Don't stick a fork in it yet!
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Other dead cartridges that just won't die, 22 Hornet,41 mag, 45-70 and others.
Huh, I own at least one of each must be a trend. |
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[quote=Bill K;277750]
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If you make your own cases from true parent cartridges, 222 Rem Mag brass is the only true option for the 17 Rem, in spite of what some folks might try to sell as a fact on the internet. The 5.56 case is short by about 40 thousandths of an inch unless you perform "miracles" with it that compare to going to a barber shop and having hair put back on. If 5.56 MM brass is all you have, I'd opt to go 17-223 so the chamber is proper length and the barrel throat is proper so that tiny 17 caliber bullets aren't seated long to reach or approach close to the barrel lands. -BCB
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.17 Remington is dead
Interesting, 222 mag brass. Always read and heard the 17 Remington was originally just the 223, with the shoulder set back and the neck left a little long, but overall just a little shorter than the original case. Bill K
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I have a fireball now but if I did it again I would do a straight 17-223. Just for ease of components. It may be slower then the 17 remington but I'm all for simplicity. And I dont think a coyote will feel the difference. I like the idea of factory ammo for the 17 remington but I haven't shot factory ammo in 20 years in anything.
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This is not new news around here......... In fact, this is a post you made on 09/02/2018 on the topic: Quote:
In that same thread from 09/2018: Quote:
SAAMI OAL of the .223/5.56MM brass is 1.760". SAAMI OAL of 17 Remington brass is 1.796". SAAMI OAL length of 222 Rem Mag brass is 1.850". You can safely trim brass, but if you lengthen it (5.56 MM) to get to something else (17 Rem), the extra length has to come from some place. Necking down brass does cause neck lengthening of a few thousandths of an inch occasionally (from my experience, ~0.004" when necking 223 down to 17) but not 40 thousandths of an inch (0.040") on relatively short brass to begin with. You have to start with brass that is originally long enough to get you where you're going. -BCB
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17 Reminton is dead
I believe BCB that quote is not mine, but one I quoted from another party and added my thought too.
I ran a 17-223 back in the 60's in a Sako and made all my brass by just necking down 223 brass. Then the 17 Remington came along and they came out with dies to set back the shoulder and form brass out of the 223 brass which then had the longer neck that the 17 rem has, as compared to the standard 223 brass. Then some had to trim the neck/length at times. But again it is a mute point, on how much work a person wants to go to if they choose to make the own 17 rem brass. Some already have it available to buy, some factory and some formed from 223/5.56 brass. So it is a open market, you and they can choose to obtain as they wish the brass they need, if they go with the 17 Remington. End of this thread for me. Bill K |
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As for your "non-quote", you made it on 09/02/2018 (09-02-2018, 09:26 AM) in a thread titled "17vrem brass?" started by Xdeano. Your post that I quoted as it appeared/verbatim using the forum quote function is post #11 in the thread. Nothing was deleted to isolate this one thought that you had in your post. In post #35, (09-04-2018, 06:38 PM) Tim Anderson botched quoting you when he added the information he did that appears as the second quote taken from Xdeano's thread in my above post. I simply quoted him verbatim also using the forum quote feature again as he wrote it in post #35. As for what anyone else does to get 17 Remington brass, I could care less. I do know however that if I'm ever required to make 17 Remington brass for myself, I won't use 223/5.56MM brass to do it. -BCB
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I have 17HH, 17FB and 17 Remington.
My thoughts, for my purpose and intentions, the 17HH and 17FB will both be run with 20 grain bullets. The 17 Remington will run with 25 and heavier. The CZ while a good platform and a decent factory rifle still left me wanting. After a bit of reading and visiting I ordered a new Shilen barrel with zero free bore in 17 Remington. The CZ may or may not go down the road, depends on if this new barrel performs up to my expectations. I did a little looking and came up with a goodly supply of brass, some factory and some from 204 Ruger. Enough so it should wear the barrel out before I am clear out of proper 17 Remington brass I really like the 17 Hornet, but if I can get minute of prairie dog out to 200 with a 17Bmag I will go that way. No muss no fuss rimfire. The 17 Fireball I basically tripped over while perusing several sites I frequent. Snagged it up, spun it on an action (Savage) and ran with it. (Actually it is on the stock and action I am going to use for the 17 Remington. Choate stocking filled the grip and butt with #8 shot. The 17 Remington barrel that is coming is a straight no taper barrel, hope the rig will weigh about 25-30 pounds when done) It has impressed me from the get go. So much so it is what I consider a boring rig as it was so simple to get it to shoot and shoot excellent. A lot better cartridge than I thought it was going to be, I have future plans for 20 using the 221 brass. From what I think I know now and I was to start all over from scratch, I would go with a 17-223 just because of brass. Or just go to a 17-204. No change to either on necks or shoulder angle. Dead, I think not as I seem to have seen more 17 Remington's in the past year or so than I ever have, new and older. Not because I was looking for them, just that I became more aware of them. Jeff |
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