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Old 11-24-2017, 05:10 AM
trelliswires trelliswires is offline
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Default Good to see others like Classic Sporters.

I found this one several months ago:

JP Sauer Guild Rifle - 9.3 X 57mm - crafted in 1920's.
Octagon to round, ribbed barrel.
Lyman aperture sight added in America.

This will be a cast lead bullet rifle and I refuse to drill/tap for scope. These guns were stocked for iron sight use. However, old eyes need a pin-hole aperture disc on my glasses. Norma still offers factory ammo for 9.3 X 57mm. RCBS dies and once-fired empty cases were part of the package.

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Old 11-24-2017, 12:25 PM
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Does the barrel rib on your gun appear to be machined with the barrel? I can not detect any indication that mine was silver soldered. I am puzzled as to how this could be accomplished in a machining process.
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Old 11-24-2017, 02:38 PM
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Skills! That's art work!
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:36 PM
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Default Integral barrel ribs, sight ramps, sling swivel lugs, recoil lugs.

Rider, you asked: "I am puzzled as to how this could be accomplished in a machining process."

It takes a skilled, artisan metalsmith to create these integral features on a barrel. These are not separate features that are later sweated to the barrel. They use a combination of vertical and horizontal milling of a large diameter barrel blank and then much hand finishing with files, stones, sandpaper and polishing.

One of the best metal artisans is Mark Penrod - North Manchester, Indiana. One of these days I will post photos of an elk rifle he did for me, a Ruger #1 - 338 Win.Mag. Jerry Fisher stocked the rifle and Jerry said he had never seen better metal work. That is a heck of a compliment.
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Old 11-25-2017, 12:25 AM
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These are much better pictures. If you get tired of my practicing just say so!

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Old 11-25-2017, 02:26 AM
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Love the butter knife bolt handle
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:32 AM
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Impressive! Beautiful rifle.
Practice some more, open that safe up
and lets see what you've got hidden in there!
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:34 PM
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I found this one several months ago:

JP Sauer Guild Rifle - 9.3 X 57mm - crafted in 1920's.
Octagon to round, ribbed barrel.
Lyman aperture sight added in America.

This will be a cast lead bullet rifle and I refuse to drill/tap for scope. These guns were stocked for iron sight use. However, old eyes need a pin-hole aperture disc on my glasses. Norma still offers factory ammo for 9.3 X 57mm. RCBS dies and once-fired empty cases were part of the package.


9.3x57 is a great little ctg. Killed a moose with mine a number of years ago. I used a 270gr. Speer started at 2,300fps. The range was 200yards and I used the stock iron sights. Now, my brother owns it, a Husky on a 94 (96) action, made in 1929.
It runs 2,300fps with 270's, 2,200fps with 286g.r and 293gr. and 1,170fps with 300gr.
These are all low pressure loads, under the apparent 57,000PSI limit for that action in Europe and standard for other ctg. chambered up in this same rifle at Husky. Those are 8x57 and 9.,3x62 Mauser along with the 6.5x55 at 55,000psi.
Norma loads to 55,000psi in the 6.5x55, with their 9.3x57 only loaded to 44,000psi.

In a model 98, the 9.3x57 easily duplicates 1930 9.3x62 data.
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:28 PM
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Daryl -

Thanks for the info and your personal experience with the 9.3 X 57 cartridge. I have a fondness for the 9.3 caliber.

Last year, I also found a Husqvarna Model 46 at Simpson Ltd - it still has an excellent bore. I was also able to purchase (from Ken Waters) a Mannlicher-Schoenauer takedown Model 1905 rifle in 9 X 56 MS with the folding tang peep sight. He used this rifle to develop his Pet Loads article in Handloader magazine for the 9 X 56 MS cartridge.

It will be a fun winter to develop cast bullet loads for these rifles.

Thanks again, Jon...
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:22 PM
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BEAUTIFUL rifle!

The first rifle I ever Gunsmithed was a Mauser 96. I actually used a real butter knife for the bolt handle. My wife is still looking for the lost knife....



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