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Old 12-12-2017, 10:34 PM
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Doug , sorry to hear about Steve . The Hospice folks really are special people as I have known a few . In my Mothers case which was a few years back , you could not stay in a Hospital Hospice setting unless the Primary Care Dr. said you had under 2 weeks of time left . The Dr. told us that my Mother had to return home until that happened and that Medication would be provided to control the Pain . That was so untrue ! Hospice provided only what Pain Meds were prescribed , and that was not near enough . Myself and another relative had to turn my Mother in Bed about every 15 Minutes even at night to control the pain . I don't know the situation today , but in my area , most Primary Cares will not prescribe any strong Pain Meds ( at least for non-critical patients ) because of all the Addiction reported . If you talk to Steves wife again , please tell her to raise heck if the Pain Meds don't control Steves pain . Once we did and once my Mother got into the Hospital Hospice , her Pain was well controlled . I'm surprised about how serious Squamous Carcinoma is because I had it some years back . My Primary Care Dr. saw something he did'nt like and sent me to a Skin " Specialist " . This Dr. looks at the small growth and says : " It looks OK to me .....what do you want me to do " ? Luckily , I did some research and said : " cut it out and send it for Analysis " . He then asks me how much to cut out ( I kid you not ). Again , luckily my research proved valuable and I told him what a Dr. friend had told me . It came back as Squamous and I no longer go to that "specialist " . Makes one wonder !
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:00 AM
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Be careful with doctors, they kill more people in the U.S. than handguns. More often than not they misdiagnose things like cancer, heart conditions, and they don't want to really have you leave as a healthy patient because you will no longer be needing their "services", once you are better they can no longer get money by "treating" you, you have cut off their revenue. They don't like this, instead they would often actually prefer to have you as a full time patient. In the U.S. according to a study by Johns Hopkins approximately 250,000 die each year due to misdiagnosed medical conditions, about 33,000 from firearms.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2016/05/03/medic...ause-of-death/

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Old 12-13-2017, 01:14 PM
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Kinda weird having had the same kinda cancer and how different the outcomes, feels crummy to tell ya the truth Keith.
A kid from Billings was here in town to attend a buddies bachelor party and the next morning when I was on the way to work he was lost and about half plastered when he ran a stop light and hit my truck. I was seeing a physical therapist a week or so later and he says "Doug, I don't wanna scare ya but you have a mass deep in your neck and you need to see an ENT Dr. like today!"
Long story short they did a biopsy and the next day a "radical neck dissection", (I'm missing about a 1/5 of my neck). Radiation, couple a Chemo's, a year of crap like I never imagined and it was over, that was 17 1/2 years ago. A fair number of side effects but after them telling my Bride I had less than a 5% chance of making it two years, and at 5 years at my check up the Dr said "this is the checkup where I pronounce you cured", I came out just fine! I'd so hoped for the same outcome for Steve, I still do but it doesn't sound so good does it .
Way to much outta me . Somehow it just don't seem right though, such a fine guy.
Doug I'm also a survivor and oddly enough I found out through a car accident like you I was driving to work on Veterans Day 2014 and was cut off by a guy texting on his cell phone as hes driving. My pickup tumbled for over 100 yards so while I'm in the Emergency room after they stitched my head up the slide me in for a body xray when I get back to the ER to wait to be admitted the ER doctor says you have a shadow on your right Kidney I'd like to have someone look at it so off to a Cat Scan next thing I know this Dr walks in my room and says you have a 4 centimeter tumor on your Kidney So he let me wait till after Christmas and in Jan of 2015 I went in and had just the Tumor removed he saved the Kidney I had that Robotic Surgery the point of this long story is you need to get checked regularly after a certain age at the time I was 60 years old and hadn't been to a Doctor in 50 years so I have to thank the asshole that ran me off the road while he was texting and didn't even stop to see if I was alive because he saved my Life
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:33 PM
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One big key to getting cancer before it gets you is early diagnosis. Get regular check-ups even if all seems to be well, and if you notice something....anything...., get it checked immediately.

Several years ago I noticed an issue and I had it checked. It took a surgery, a couple of chemo treatments, and 27 radiation therapy sessions that reduced my appetite to soda crackers, peanut butter, and canned pineapple, but it could have been a lot worse.

Prayers still going out for StevO and his family. Cancer is not a nice disease for anyone to have to deal with.

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Old 12-13-2017, 01:48 PM
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Similar story as shortfuse. Back in 2009, had scraped against a mole that bled one day, but no other signs/indications/appearances. Went to a dermatologist she decided to remove it and sent it in to biopsy. Next day she called back and told me it was malignant melanoma. Surgeon made a wide excision and took about a beer can volume off my right side, including some associated lymph nodes. Then a year long course of immune system drugs. All was going okay until a CT revealed a couple of nodules in my lungs in 2013. Needle biopsy agreed, melanoma. Three months course of one of the new obscenely expensive immunology drugs stopped the growth of the nodules and they started shrinking. So far, things are stable/static and have been doing CTs quarterly to monitor progress.

I am firmly convinced that early detection is the best chance of survival in any cancer situation. See a doctor regularly. If you don't like him, find another. Besides the cancer, I have had significant heart issues in the past 7 years. Have had to fire two cardiologists, who were complete asses, and two who were merely okay. You have to keep fighting, and you need to learn as much as you can to learn and manage your conditions.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:59 PM
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I's a crappy way to get an education thats for sure by the time I watch every video and read every piece of material I could find on Robotic Surgery I probably can perform Surgery Myself
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:59 PM
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Since my cancer in 1999 I'm on the 3 month dermatologist check up list. That new Mohs skin cancer treatment is slick cause by the time you get out of the chair they have the cancer excised to the point of clean margins all around it. They are learning all the time.
Unfortunately I grew up in a time before sunblock and I went from bright red at the first of summer to dark brown by the end of it for a lotta years, I am now paying for past sins/stupidity. As mentioned above, the trick I've learned is regular check-ups and call a DR. if ya feel or see something change. As many skin cancers as I've had cut on my beloved is watching me like a hawk all the time.
This getting older thing ain't all chuckles and grins as some of us well know. What Steve is dealing with is particularly unpleasant. I had the oncologist that treated me tell me once that in his opinion "in cancer treatment, treating head and neck cancers was about the meanest thing they know how to do". A lot of real sensitive stuff up there. Brother Stevo's been through hell! So has Candi and the kids, cancer is a family affair. I'm of the opinion that the caregivers that love us crusty ole farts have a lot tougher role than the patient. I was just along for the ride but as I went from 195lbs to 135lbs and was getting fed through a tube it was a terrible experience for her in to many ways to count. She's having a heck of a time but she's in there swinging just like he is.
This is a great bunch a guys here, we can talk guns and fun stuff one day and then share something awful like this the next. Thanks!
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:14 PM
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I just said a prayer for Stevo.

My Grandmother is a breast cancer survivor going on 15 years now. Had to have surgery to remove both breasts, and chemo treatment. Tough time for the entire family. I sympathize and will continue to pray for healing and peace for Stevo and his family.
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:08 PM
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I's a crappy way to get an education thats for sure by the time I watch every video and read every piece of material I could find on Robotic Surgery I probably can perform Surgery Myself
Sorry for the O.T. , but Shortfuse , just prior to having a Knee replaced , I happened on to an interactive Knee Surgery Doctors Site . A couple years later I could not get back on it . Anyway , I went through the whole procedure twice . It would tell you if you made the incision too long , in the wrong location , if you polished the inside of the kneecap incorrectly , etc. When I told my Surgeon about this , he said : " Good , if I have a heart attack during the procedure ..... you can take over . " I told him he better have a good back-up Surgeon available !
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:02 AM
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This stuff and so much of it shared between us all should be made
it's own thread. Not to take away from Steve & Candi's ordeal.

17tbs, BCB, Doug, shortfuse and others.
You longer time members know I've been thru the wars the past 5-6 years.
Twice in the guts, no colon or a/h left, took 'em out from Chron's in 12-13.
Oct '15 in the shower I saw some blood in the cut up belly button. CT the next week, had a tumor on my pancreas. Guess they wanted to see if it was fatal or not and had me wait til Jan 7th. '16 to take it out. Dr tried to kill me with his sloppy workmanship. Cut off five pieces of belly wall tissue and let 'em fall back inside and left 'em there. Six weeks later my body ejected them thru the ruptured scar. I've got pictures if anyone wants to post 'em and send me a number I can send by text. The infection filled me full of it. June 23rd, '16. They sucked out 7 liters of infection fluid from my chest in three sessions. Second go round I was sent back to the room. Two hours later the whole crew came in all excited and concerned. "how you feeling?" "Fine the whole time". "gotta go again we missed some". That evening the suction doc and 2-3 others came in to check on me. "missed some around your heart this morning, nearly lost you" "that makes six times in 4 years I've been told that, sooner or later I'm going to run out of lives".

Discovered a month ago that in Colorado and no other state. There's a 180 day statute of limitations on suit notice. IF not notified within that time you can't sue a government facility like the VA or Univ Hosp, dr's are covered in that too. All other states it's two years, same as regular public hospitals.

Those of us that have gone thru these ordeals know that when it's repeated half dozen times. It would have been easier on us if they HAD pulled the plug. Once or twice IF it's caught in time, we can survive it, at least for a number of years. I'm happy for you guys that have caught it in time. We've lost quite a few members here, and I know a good many of us have lost family members from cancers. Some families have the cancer genes strongly. My wife's did, six or seven of them died from it, including her. All except her Mother died of cancer. She lived to 94. My Mom had it several times and finally died of it. A great many friends have too. Seems like colon cancer gets a majority of folks.

Best wishes to Steve, Candi and their family.
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