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Old 03-06-2021, 04:43 AM
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Default shooting 60 gr .223

I know they need a faster twist and don't care to hear about that.

All I want to learn is: Has anyone shot them in a 14" twist?

And how did they shoot? I found a bag of about 500 I've never tried.

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Old 03-06-2021, 10:27 AM
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Don't waste your time or powder.....several years ago, I got a Winchester 22/250 carbine, thought it would make a nice lightweight walking rifle for deer here in SW MO....so loaded up some 60gr Noslers, shots were like a shotgun,, gave up on it, thought it was a lost cause, lived in the back of the safe for 25 years..........dug it out last year and loaded up some 40gr Vmax.....shoots those at about 3/4" at 100. Measured the twist....1 in 14....do tell! This bbl does not even shoot 50 grainers very well, but the 40 Vmax very nicely. Have a 788 in 223 with a 12 in twist.....it does not like the 40 Vmax at all...so there you go....ymmv
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ps....also have a Winchester heavy varmint 22/250 from 1978 that would not shoot until I tried the 40 Vmax....it's been shot a lot before I got it, but the 40 Vmax shoots just a bit over a 1/2" ....so measured the twist....again 1-14. It will not shoot 50's or anything else very well just like the little carbine.
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Old 03-06-2021, 02:40 PM
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I know they need a faster twist and don't care to hear about that.

All I want to learn is: Has anyone shot them in a 14" twist?

And how did they shoot? I found a bag of about 500 I've never tried.

Thank you.
In a 14 twist, they more than likely will keyhole. But you must shoot some in your rifle and see.
I shot the 60 grain Nosler in some 223's that worked fine, some did not. those were in 1/12 twist. so 1/14 is a iffy.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:08 PM
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You might have a shot at 1/14 stability of the 60 grain bullets if they are a short cup and core bullet like the 60 gr. Hornady Spire point or the 63 gr. Sierra Semi-Spitzers. A plastic tip, boattail, partition, or other designs that increase the bullet length will likely cause stability issues.
Looking through my old Ken Water's Pet Loads book lists early 22-250 data delivering good accuracy with 60 grain bullets. The barrel twist wasn't mentioned, but based on the age 1/14 would be likely.
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Old 03-06-2021, 05:54 PM
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George- depends on the 60gr. bullet. Back in the 70's, some of the guys shooting .222's used the 63gr. Sierra semi-pointed for competition shooting with their 14 twist rifles. So, yes, a 63gr. Sierra bullet will shoot, and I think the old 60gr. HP Hornady also shoot quite well.
The slightly higher vel. of the .223 should also help.
As to the pointed, modern plastic-tipped bullets - not likely, not even the 55gr. ones.
Oh - just remembered the 14" twist Ruger #1 .218Bee I had, would put 5 55gr. Hornady Vmax's into sub 1" groups, but no where near the lighter bullets, group-size wise. I was running them just under 3,100fps with LG, of course.
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Old 03-07-2021, 06:18 AM
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Thank you all, that's what I was hoping to hear.

I've never shot anything over 55gr in his rifle.

Back when I had the gun rebarreled. Two of us came up with
19 various bullets from 30 to 55 gr. I had my load; 25 gr 4895
for years so I stuck with it.

Just swapped bullets. 5 of each to sort, then ten of the best five
to verify.

The pea sized V'max I think was 30gr, and 40gr v'max made half dozen
one hole ten shots into 230". Did that repeatedly.

40gr Nosler's orange tips over 1 1/4". that's one I never expected not to
group well.

55gr C/L: just under half inch. Sure was happy to see that as I'd just
bought 5000 of them. As that's what I used on pr/dogs most.

Too long ago to recall what they all grouped. We had: Seirra's, Berger's,
Speer, just about every brand and size made in those weights.

It made quite a test of bullets all with the same charge.

Later out for coyotes one morning on the way out was a bunch of p/dogs
on a wide open hillside about 200-300 yards. I laid down and shot some of
the 30gr v'max. Over 250yds they hit the hillside is all I can say. No two
went near where any others hit. I'm sure they scattered over 50 yards
apart from one shot to the next. It sure had us spooked. Those tiny pills
lost all stability beyond 200 yards. Yet at 100 they all went thru the same
hole.

I will send Ron some of these 60's to test in his Rem 700 14/1. Will report
back once it's done.
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Old 03-07-2021, 12:49 PM
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I have a 1-12 tw 700 that LOVES 60 grain hp, 60 Vmax and either 62 or 64 grain Bergers. I would have to go look at the boxes to see, but they have been discontinued. I am guessing a 14tw would not shoot them. I have a 1-8 twist frightening/ scary/ dangerous/ AR with a 24" barrel that shoots 40Vmax into sub 3/8" groups but won't cycle. My opinion on twist is that unless you have a bad bullet, fast is not a bad thing.
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Old 03-07-2021, 08:05 PM
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George, I think those 30gr. Vmax were actually 35gr. I have never heard of 30gr. Vmax & their site still lists only 35gr. as the lightest.
Barnes, though, has a 30gr. non-lead core bullet, however.
I found the 35gr. Vamx's to shoot amazingly well at 100 yards, under 1/2" but past 150yards they opened up horrifically & went into 2 1/2" to 3" at 200 from the bench.
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Old 03-07-2021, 09:03 PM
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I think Berger made a 30gr HP 224 at one time. My 1:16 No.3 in 22 Hornet liked them.
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Old 03-08-2021, 03:17 AM
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Daryl:

Believe you're right on that. Thanks.

It's been 22 years now, hell I can't recall what

I had for lunch!

Amazing they'd make 35's and 40's both.

Especially when the 40's fly true out past 300yds.
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