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17 HeBee Load Questions
So my newest Cooper 38 is chambered in 17 HeBee. I've got a bunch of brass fire formed and now I'm ready to really find a load for it. I've already tried RL-7 and VV-N130. Todd recommended the N130 and the guy who made the 17 HeBee liked RL-7. Well neither one is very satisfactory at this point. And on the burn rate chart they are a long ways apart. Lots of powder in between the two. I'm mainly shooting a 20 VMAX but also may play with the Hornady 25 HP. Anyone have any ideas on what to try next??? I'm thinking CFE BLK may be a good one to try.
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I found RL-7 works quite well for me, I haven't tried N-130 or anything else.
I found a couple of burn rate charts, the ADI one isn't very helpful and the Hodgdon doesn't show the ADI powders that are more easily available locally. http://www.adi-powders.com.au/powder-equivalents/ https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploa...rate-color.pdf I see in The Sensational Seventeens by Todd Kindler that he lists N-130, RL-7 and N-133 (for 25gr) in the HeBee, fast lots of H322 apparently also work well, Todd lists N-120, N-130, RL-7, H4198 & H4227 for the 17 Ackley Bee. There was also an article in the October 1993 issue of Precision Shooting about the 17 HeBee which may have other data...……...Kiwi |
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Kiwi, were your loads anywhere near the RL-7 loads in Todd's book??? I started at 14.5 and went up. Never found anything worth testing a second time with the RL-7. Kinda surprising because my go to powder is RL-7 in just about everything.
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I have no clue on the difference in case capacity but this is from an old post on the 17 killer bee showing a few options that might work? I personally like 1680 in both of my 17-KBs although I did fireform most of the brass with lil gun which worked out for F-forming but way to fast for a formed case??
Bob, 680/H116/1680 was the best powder out of several I tried. Did you get that rifle from Charles or is buddy whose name escapes me? Here is from an old post: DELETED- Wrong information, this data was for a 20 killer bee instead if a 17.
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My loads are a bit higher than Todd's with RL-7 and a 20gr Vmax, I've been meaning to try BM1 and the 25gr Vmax to see what accuracy and velocity are like, but just haven't gotten around tuit
My 17 HeBee is a M38 Jackson Varminter and I notice that Todd used a Kimber 82 when he did one article and used RL-7 and then a Cooper M38 when he used N-130 and N-133 My 218 Bee brass was purchased sometime ago, 10 years or so, I really need to stock up on some more 218 Bee brass but it seems to be hard to come by. Kiwi Last edited by Kiwishooter; 10-17-2020 at 10:01 PM. |
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Gary I noticed the 32 gr VMax, are those loads of Dan's for the 20 Killer Bee.
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I had trouble fire-forming my brass using R#7. They were not hot enough at 13.5 Gr.
Luckily, you are past that. I ended up going with H4198 @ 13.8 Gr. using 25 Gr V-Max and WSR primers. Bullets are seated to 1.440" to Ogive. I've found Kindler loads to be pretty hot as he uses molly'd bullets. Hope this helps. Del
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If 1680 works well in the Killer Bee then I'm sure it would work well in the HeBee. Personally I've never been a fan of 1680 but have found that CFE BLK meters just as well and is typically more accurate. If I get time this week I'm gonna try some CFE BLK and will update this post on my findings. RL-7 @13.5 grains with a 20 grain bullet worked well for fire forming. I did fire form a few pieces with 13.0 grains and 25 grain bullet. It too worked. (I got those loads from Todd's book). I do believe some of the loads in Todd's book are too hot for my gun. I forgot he shot a lot of moly bullets. I'm going to back my loads off a bit and start over. I bet I will find an accuracy load somewhere. My 17/23 SMC I could get up over 4200 FPS pretty easy but the accuracy node was way lower then that. Ended up settling on a load using Benchmark with a 20 grain Nosler Varmegeddon Tipped 20 grain bullet. Its running right at 3850 and shoots little clover leaf groups. |
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Thanks Ray! I was searching 17 and it must have showed up. Appreciate the good catch
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