221 fireball-cfe blk

[Dean2]

Considering that is still much slower than Lil'Gun and that LG shoots really well accuracy wise is the reason I haven't bothered to try it in the 221. I am getting 3550 FPS with .2 to .3 groups out of a stock Remington 221 VLS. It will literally put three rounds in one hole or a clover leaf at 200 yards. So far nothing new out is as fast and I don't see any point in chasing tighter groups than that for varmint hunting.

[Bill K]

That would stand too reason.. As long as they are that good and you are happy. no need to change. Bill K

[flashhole]

Not unlike others I've tried many powders with my favorite bullet - 40 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. Reloader #7 wins in the accuracy department.

[Swift220]

My first ever 221FB and I bought CFE BLK & RL7 to start with. I would have really liked to have bought Li'l Gun instead of CFE BLK but I read a lot and it seems like a lot of people/guns have pressure problems with Li'l Gun powder.
I wonder why that is? Some shoot a charge at less than book max & have great results and others shoot the same load or less & have pressure issues.
Have you ever had pressure problems with it?
Maybe if these 2 powders won't shoot like I want, I'll buy a lb. of Li'l Gun & give it a whirl.

Jim D

[Dean2]

I shoot Lil'Gun in a couple of dozen 22 Hornets WW brass 12.6 grains, Small pistol primer and a 40 grain Vmax or Blitzking 2900 -3,100 fps depending on gun, 17 HH, 218 Bee and 221 FB. I have fired many thousands of rounds. Most of my loads are thrown with a Lyman or Dillon powder thrower. I load 22 H on a 550 progressive because I use so many. I also load the 221 on it. I DO NOT load them ragged edge hot but never have had to to get good accuracy and speed.

Never had a pressure problem with it yet, though I do hear of all kinds of people that do. I have never had anyone I helped learn to load with Lil'Gun ever have a problem with it, so I have no idea why there are so many people that do.

[coyotezapper]

My guess would be fill ratio is not optimum with LG and this case.

[x32030]

Is it too quick burning for the .20 VarTarg,with lighter bullets?

[moorepower]

Lil Gun has had some lot to lot variance that shows up more with small cases running 110% of book loads. I have NOT seen this, but I almost never go over book load.

[coyotezapper]

I saw this same issue with a 7RM years ago. Some rifles would shoot a known good load with a fill ratio in the 85% range very well and some rifles the load was very erratic. My rifle at first did not like the load and I wondered what the differences could be so I experimented with different primers and found this to be the key.

I am not sure if this is the same issue but by reading the results that Dean2 is getting I think he has the primer / powder issue figured out with LG.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by x32030

Is it too quick burning for the .20 VarTarg,with lighter bullets?

Yes but only by a small bit. It is a little too fast to be optimal for 20 Vartarg in my opinion. You could make it work I am sure and especially with the lighter bullets should shoot real well. Be interested to see what kind of velocity you can develop and work up to.
If I had a Vartarg I would have definitely tried Lil'Gun in it.