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Old 06-04-2018, 07:24 AM
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.....the "G" model 17-222.....the first one.

I built this PD rifle, some years back, on a factory Sako L461 single-shot action.

It works verrrrrrrry well!

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Fine looking setup there Kev, I'm thinking the P-Doggies should be very, very afraid !!
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Old 06-05-2018, 12:59 AM
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Default Forming Brass

How is everyone forming brass. I assume starting with 222 and then necking down...

I have necked up for 6x45 and case forming for 300BO. However, I've no experience going smaller (necking down). Over the past year I have gotten the mini-mauser, gum ball killing bug. There are two calibers that are in my immediate future:
1) 20 VTG - I think I have the steps down for converting 221 Fireball or 222/223 Rem to 20 Vartarg
2) 17-222 - I've ordered Hornady dies for 17-222.

What is best way to transition from 222 to 17-222?

What is preferred method for trimming brass? I normally use a Little Crow WFT.

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Old 06-05-2018, 01:32 AM
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How is everyone forming brass. I assume starting with 222 and then necking down...

I have necked up for 6x45 and case forming for 300BO. However, I've no experience going smaller (necking down). Over the past year I have gotten the mini-mauser, gum ball killing bug. There are two calibers that are in my immediate future:
1) 20 VTG - I think I have the steps down for converting 221 Fireball or 222/223 Rem to 20 Vartarg
2) 17-222 - I've ordered Hornady dies for 17-222.

What is best way to transition from 222 to 17-222?

What is preferred method for trimming brass? I normally use a Little Crow WFT.

Maybe re-read some of the earlier posts here concerning reducing 222 to 17.


As for trimming brass, any good case trimmer set up should work........



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Old 06-05-2018, 01:40 AM
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What?! I figured out how to post pictures. Now I have to qualify on the "Search" function...No bottle feeding?!

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Old 06-05-2018, 02:53 AM
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What?! I figured out how to post pictures. Now I have to qualify on the "Search" function...No bottle feeding?!

BCB - YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!

You don't need the search function to read thru three pages of posts in this thread. Several posts describe how to get from 222 Rem to 17-22.


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Old 06-05-2018, 04:58 AM
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BCB - I appreciate the assistance.

Yes, I did take note of MontDoug's description of forming the brass. Perhaps I should have clarified... I am a novice to necking down and based on reading other posts I am a bit confused as to the best procedure to neck down.

For instance, the necking process for 20 VTG has been described as a progression of reductions (2-3) using bushing of decreasing size, and not just jumping straight to the 20 VTG sizing die. I assumed that this would be a similar exercise then going from 20 cal to 17 cal in a series of additional reductions. So am I looking at 5-6 reductions to go from .222 to .17???

MontDoug's method appears to be 2 giant reductions. Why is this different/better than the aforementioned recommendation for a series of smaller incremental reductions when forming 20 VTG from 221 Fireball? I have no experience to form an opinion or compare methods. I am simply trying to understand what is the best way to make a consistent, quality case.

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Old 06-05-2018, 09:31 PM
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Default Necking down

A lot depends on what you are starting with when necking down. For example, on the 20VT, it can be a bit of a process if you are starting with .223 brass - you are necking down, moving the shoulder, shortening the case, etc. Lots of steps. But if you are starting with .221 Fireball brass, Adam Bentley (and others) pointed out that a .17 Fireball forming die #1 just coincidentally creates a perfect .204 case mouth. So that is ONE step from .224 --> .204 and it does a pretty good job of setting the shoulder as well. When I do that, it is straight into the 20VT bushing die adjusted so that the bolt just closes. There really isn't any fireforming. Same load prints identical 1st loading on down. The steps outlined for the .17-222 isn't much more complicated, but you are doing in two steps because you are sizing it a bit more. A bushing die is simple - just change the bushings. But if you happen to already have an assortment of dies - and you have the right die, you can do the first step with the expander removed before final sizing in your .17-222 die.
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Old 06-05-2018, 10:05 PM
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A lot depends on what you are starting with when necking down. For example, on the 20VT, it can be a bit of a process if you are starting with .223 brass - you are necking down, moving the shoulder, shortening the case, etc. Lots of steps. But if you are starting with .221 Fireball brass, Adam Bentley (and others) pointed out that a .17 Fireball forming die #1 just coincidentally creates a perfect .204 case mouth. So that is ONE step from .224 --> .204 and it does a pretty good job of setting the shoulder as well. When I do that, it is straight into the 20VT bushing die adjusted so that the bolt just closes. There really isn't any fireforming. Same load prints identical 1st loading on down. The steps outlined for the .17-222 isn't much more complicated, but you are doing in two steps because you are sizing it a bit more. A bushing die is simple - just change the bushings. But if you happen to already have an assortment of dies - and you have the right die, you can do the first step with the expander removed before final sizing in your .17-222 die.
Thank you for the clarification! I was confusing the additional steps of forming cases starting with 223 brass. I am eager to try something new in the shop.
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Old 06-05-2018, 11:22 PM
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A bushing die is simple - just change the bushings. But if you happen to already have an assortment of dies - and you have the right die, you can do the first step with the expander removed before final sizing in your .17-222 die.
This is basically what I do for my .20-222. First step is to run the cases through a .222 die with the expander ball removed which partly sizes down, then through an S-type die with the right sized bushing to reach the final required. Eco diameter.

I have a .17-222 barrel lined up for my old L461 and to form cases I'll just add another step using the right sized .17 cal bush.

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