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Old 03-18-2017, 03:23 PM
shortfuse shortfuse is offline
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A few Months back I bought a H&R Model 157 Single Shot Rifle along with the Rifle I got a two die set of dies, a box of Sierra 45gr .223 dia Bullets and a few 100 reloads. I tested this combo at 50 yrds indoors. The reloads are all over the place so I bought some Hornady 35gr V-Max Varmint Express They grouped much better but I beleive this Rifle and Bullet can do better. I was gonna unload the reloads that I have that date back to the mid 90s and reload them with what I have on hand leaving the primers intact just changing the powder and bullet the recipe for the old reloads are Rem 6.5 Primer, 10.5gr of IMR 4227 and .223 Sierra 45gr Bullet. I have the 4227 powder and the .223 Bullets the question is do you thinl I should use the same amount of Powder or change the weight. Please keep it simple this will be my first time reloading Pic 1 is the Factory Ammo pic 2 is the recipe of the reloads that came with the rifle pic 3 was the reloads. Theres a pic of the rifle it originaly had a Manlichter forend but a previous owner got ambitious and deceided to wittle it down as of yet I have found it impossible to get a forend for it [url=http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/kdurgin1016/media/Hornet%201_zpsjizspwzs.jpg.html][IMG]

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Old 03-18-2017, 03:46 PM
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12.5 grains of Lil Gun, CCI small rifle primers and either a .224 40 grain or the 34 grain HP from Mid South shooters supply. Never tried any other loads as they shot so good. Neck Size only. Never have used any other die and have not lost any cases to splitting.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:02 PM
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Very early Hornets used .223 diameter bullets, you should get some .224 diameter bullets as stated.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:23 PM
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In addition to Lil' Gun, I would also give WW296/H110 a try, as well as MP-300 from Alliant. My go to primer in my Hornets is the Fed 100 Small Pistol Primer, but the Rem 6 1/2 primer works almost as well.

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Old 03-18-2017, 06:46 PM
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I agree that you should be using .224 diameter bullets. My Hornets seem to prefer 40 to 45gr bullets from either Hornady or Sierra, but I have shot some as light as 30gr to as heavy as 50gr bullets. My rifles also seem to prefer rifle primers rather than pistol primers and seem to perform best with either W296 or AA1680. Also, the brand of brass is critical, as Remington brass can hold as much as a full grain more of powder than Winchester brass, and that is a huge difference for such a small case as a Hornet. Personally, I do not and will not use Rem 6.5 primers in my rifles. Remington had quality problems with 6.5 primers several years ago, and I just won't use them.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:48 PM
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I was hoping to use what I have .223 and 4227 I don't have any place localy that sells reloading materials.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:28 PM
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12.6 Grains Lil'Gun, WW or PRivi brass, Fed Small Pistol Primers, .224 - 40 grain Vmax or Blitzking. If it won't shoot that load under and inch the gun isn't shooting right. I have used this load in over 3 dozen Hornets, worst shot .75, best ones would shoot in the .1s & .2s.

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I was hoping to use what I have .223 and 4227 I don't have any place localy that sells reloading materials.
Since the factory loads, which are .224 bullets, shoot so much better than your hand loads I am betting the .223 bullet is a large part of the problem. That said, if it is all you have, use small pistol primers for even ignition, put a light crimp on the finished round and load with 4227 starting at min and going up .2 grains at a time. Also, seat your bullets to COAL of 1.83. Once you find a powder charge it likes you can play with different lengths. Only change one thing at a time or you will never know what is causing what.

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Old 03-18-2017, 08:44 PM
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IMR 4227 is fine to use, I have tried it with 40 and 50gr bullets, just not as good as the others. The .223 bullets are the problem. Get some .224 bullets and do some load development testing.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:05 PM
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Like the TinMan said, don't waste your time with the .223s.
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:18 AM
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I've always had real good luck with IMR-4227 at about 11.0 with a Hornady 45 SP hornet bullet using Rem 6 1/2 primers. The Sierra 45 SP hornet bullet does well around 12.5 or 12.8 grains of LIL'GUN powder. (I even shot 45 SP's with LilGun all the way up to 13.4 grains! Freight train load for the 22 hornet, but work up to this one slowly please and in peak heat and humidity.) Good luck.

And yes, with LilGun and the Sierra 45 SP's at 12.5, or 12.8, I use CCI 500 small pistol primers. The 13.4 LilGun load was actually with the Hornady 45 SP hornet bullet as I look back at my notes now and again, using the CCI 500 primers. This was with a modern CZ 527 American in 22 hornet and the 12.8 grain load worked beautifully in another guy's CZ 527 American as well - FYI.

It's all up to you doing your own individual experimentation with that specific rifle in the end. But I will tell you I trim my brass after each firing, clean primer pockets, debur/chamfer - spend a lot of time on case prep. I also use a Lee collet die to neck size only, then had invested in a Redding Competition Seater die with micrometer adjustment dial to help insure best possible consistency with minimal runout. Every little thing makes a difference with the hornet it seems. At least that has been my experience.

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