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Old 10-13-2018, 01:03 AM
Stan from Pa. Stan from Pa. is offline
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Hello guys,
thought I would place this under big game since that is what game I'll be after with this gun.

All the Cooper fans on here, has anyone tried the muzzle loader offered by Cooper???

Does anyone shoot or have experience with the Savage muzzle loaders using smokeless powder?

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Stan
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Old 10-13-2018, 03:08 PM
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Stan, I have a Savage SML but the only thing original is the action/trigger. Went with a Pac-Nor .45 and an H.S. Precision stock. I bought one, shot it as a .50 for one year then went custom. Now four of my deer hunting buddies have them, all in .45 caliber. I chronoed mine last week, Hornady saboted 200gr. SST is just a touch over 2700fps. There are parts made now to convert a standard, non Axis, Savage action to an SML. IMO, for Pennsy ML or slug gun special reg areas, it's the only way to go. Get a good load, mount a good scope and put three shots touching at 200 meters. I have mine dialed in to 300 meters but some shoot further.
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Old 10-13-2018, 03:31 PM
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Never thought that much about "inlines" till I watched a guy sighting one in at the range. Couldn't hit squat till he changed loads and got a 2" group.
I get the muzzleloader season thing. If you're a hunter,cover your chances over a longer period of time. Do it all and throw in a little bow and arrow. More chances of putting meat on the table.
Seems like I heard somewhere that the Savage inlines can be converted to smokeless centerfire?
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:18 PM
Stan from Pa. Stan from Pa. is offline
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Appreciate the response guys,

The reason I asked was, I’ve owned a Savage for maybe 10 years and I like it, accuracy could be better, it seems to have lost some possibly.

I recently came accross this used Cooper ML and I checked about using smokeless powder in it, of course Cooper does state that they’re not designed for smokeless powder. That should probably be enough to tell me not to use smokeless powder.
I removed the breechplug on both Savage and Cooper, the Savage breech plug is longer but the length of the threads on the breech plug are very similar.

I know I’ll probably be called foolish for asking a question about safety, but does anyone have first hand experience with the Cooper ML here?

Stanley
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Old 10-14-2018, 12:56 PM
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Dammit you guys are going to cost me money.

Here in the east, we have a lot of populated areas that are shotgun only. Well, not really, because MZ rifles are also allowed. Today's MZ's are more accurate and more capable of 100 yard plus shots than the ole punkin balls and even the shotgun sabot loads. Where I hunt on the eastern shore of MD, the land is flat and has huge open fields. Shotguns are not very practical. I use my encore MZ and I think it's probably got a range of 200-250 yards. I'd like to get a smokeless MZ and that Savage kit might just fit the bill. If I can extend my effective range another 100 yards or more, it might come in handy.

Stan, the hunting show "true magnum" features cooper rifles and the one guy James Bryon, I think does most of his hunting with a Cooper MZ. He apparently uses the Blackhorn 209 powder in his and is effective over 300 yards.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:09 PM
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Hey Charlie,

Looks like these Savage ML's are going for a premium since they stopped producing them. There seems to be allot of controversy out there regarding these muzzle loaders, I do like mine.

I bought this Cooper in hopes of using smokeless powder, but it is not recommended. I had a good talk with Glenn at Cooper yesterday, I said removing the breech plug and comparing it to my Savage, they're very similar?

He stated this action they use is not heat treated, so it is soft. The barrel is a Wilson and is capable of center fire pressures.

He's a muzzle loader enthusiast and said he would like to purchase a Savage also but he will NOT be using smokeless powder in it. Doesn't make me feel warm and fuzy
He felt since BlackHorn powder has come out, it is such a great powder meaning cleaner that less people will be looking to use smokeless powder.

I didn't tell him how lazy I am and how I would rather kick back when coming home instead of cleaning my muzzle loader

Stan
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